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| pol1987 |
Posted on 18-03-2013 20:54
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Hi everybody! My question is: has anyone tried to change the values of xml files contained in xml\simu\ folder of the game?
I love simulating stages, and i only play 3d races like Milan Sanremo or WC, so I would like to make the classic rapid simulation more realistic and detailed. I modified some value, but I need some tips on editing this kind of files.
So can you help me?
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| Lachi |
Posted on 18-03-2013 21:43
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If I remember correctly, somebody did already. Try the forum search.
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| pol1987 |
Posted on 18-03-2013 21:53
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ehm....sorry....i don't find it!!! I have only found a PCM11 discussion 
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| Lachi |
Posted on 19-03-2013 07:20
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as far as I know, it is the same since pcm08 or so. |
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| pol1987 |
Posted on 19-03-2013 08:01
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ok, thank you!
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| ppanther |
Posted on 20-03-2013 21:42
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Yup, that was me.
https://www58.zipp.../file.html
These are my PCM11 files, they should work at PCM12. The problem with PCM12 is, that gene_time_gap is defined by the game and not changeable anymore. But the gap is a major point in simulating. It defines which values are chosen to calculate the result.
All in all i would be happy if some of you could simulate some races with my files and give me feedback.
Edited by ppanther on 20-03-2013 21:54
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| pol1987 |
Posted on 21-03-2013 21:56
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Hi just send u a PM. I think time gap values are defined in the _Peloton files. Give it a try. I lowered some value and time gaps lowered too!!!Another tip I can say to lower gaps is to give a higher value to the AverageSpeed in _Main files. The higher the speed, the lower the gaps!!!
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| ppanther |
Posted on 21-03-2013 22:34
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I didn't mean the time gap, i meant the time gap from this column in the xml files: <function name="Classification_Sprint_GapLessThan10" log="2">. Before PCM12 it could be edited in a .cdb editor, but this isn't possible anymore, because it's defined by the game.
But i'll give you some examples what i already found out:
Let's take a look at flat stages. As riders to compare we take Cavendish and Sagan, two different sprinter types. (However i take the stats from my own edited db.)
Some stats we need:
Cav Sagan
SP: 82 79
HIL: 66 79
MO: 60 70
ACC: 83 82
END: 79 78
Form: 75 90
Random 50 35
The finish is flat, so the <function name="Classification_Sprint_GapMoreThan10" log="2"> is important:
Sagan: 79*9 - 70*1 + 90 + 0*78 +35 =766
Cavendish: 82*9 -60*1 + 75 + 0*79 +50 = 803
So Cavendish would win quite easily, if we premise that no one was in the breakaway, had a puncture, or had to work, because that would influence the result.
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| ppanther |
Posted on 21-03-2013 22:52
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Also defined as flat, but with a uphill finish. So if the gap is set to less than 10, <function name="Classification_Sprint_GapLessThan10" log="2"> is the deciding thing.
Sagan: 79*1 + 79*5 + 82*4 + 90 + 35 + 0*78 = 927
Cavendish: 82*1 + 66*5 + 83*4 +75 +50 +0*79 = 869
Cavendish doesn't even stand a chance. |
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| ppanther |
Posted on 21-03-2013 23:01
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Some things i have changed in my files:
-> Stage races with less than 10 stages doesn't get won by a guy from a break away anymore (or almost anymore)
-> more differed uphill/flat finish results
-> more focus on form (you can control that by value you give the single stats)
-> group finishes on hilly stages or even on mountain stages are possibly (it is controlled by elevation gained on stages, so at a hilly stage with a altitude of 1000m a group of maybe 30-40 riders would finish together, at a stage with an altitude of 3000m there would be small groups and bigger gaps)
-> almost no more sprinters winning mountain stages from breakaways |
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| pol1987 |
Posted on 22-03-2013 07:51
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good work! I've got some question...what do you mean to control form?? And....why you multiplicate per 9 the sprint value? I lowered it a lot!
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| pol1987 |
Posted on 22-03-2013 08:06
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another thing...how do you know the random value on each cyclist??? I thought it was a value between 0 and 50 the ia attributed randomly to cyclists.
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| ppanther |
Posted on 22-03-2013 09:45
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I set sprint to 9 in my simulation file for flat stages with a flat finish, Form and Random i just took values for my example to make my point clear. |
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| ppanther |
Posted on 22-03-2013 09:48
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The one thing i don't know is, how the form is used in calculation. I am pretty sure it is not just an addition factor as in my example above. It must be something with more impact, even though i haven't found the right column yet. |
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| pol1987 |
Posted on 22-03-2013 10:05
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ok....have u tried to put in the column PreClassification of _main files ===> <inrace_charac name="FO" coeff="2" log="2"/>
don't konw if the right thing is FO or FOR
let me know what do you find!
Another question. Is it true that VAL value doesn't matter? I read somewhere that MO and VAL weights in the stages are established into the game, so the only value that interacts with those xml files is the mountain one? True??? 
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| ppanther |
Posted on 22-03-2013 10:23
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pol1987 wrote:
ok....have u tried to put in the column PreClassification of _main files ===> <inrace_charac name="FO" coeff="2" log="2"/>
I have changed pretty much all classification columns, so PreClassification and Classification in Flat_, Hill_ and Mountain_Main.
pol1987 wrote:
Another question. Is it true that VAL value doesn't matter? I read somewhere that MO and VAL weights in the stages are established into the game, so the only value that interacts with those xml files is the mountain one? True???
That's true in 3D mode, if you play the stage yourself. As far as i know there is a hill/mountain ratio and it defines whether hill or mountain stats are used.
In simulation hill and mountain is different. |
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| pol1987 |
Posted on 22-03-2013 11:36
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give a look to the basic hill_main. It says nothing about VAL but only MO. That's strange in my opinion. I tried to put also VAL value but nothing changes....what do u think??
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| ppanther |
Posted on 22-03-2013 12:01
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You need to name it HIL instead of VAL. I just tested it again and if you put HIL as only factor that matters in a flat stage, it definitely works. Nibali won, Uran 2nd, Gasparotto 3rd in a plain flat stage. So the hill value works, even though its not in there in the original files. |
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| pol1987 |
Posted on 22-03-2013 12:12
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perfect!!! it's a great thing you made me discover!!! would u like to test my files???
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| ppanther |
Posted on 22-03-2013 12:17
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Yup, load it up. |
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