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| flyingspurs |
Posted on 11-02-2013 12:51
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What's the difference if i sponsor or not? are there any differences between the three options? |
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| Abelbaba |
Posted on 11-02-2013 12:56
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Domestique
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in my experience it does not matter.
they will always accept a contract offer of 3 years with 2000 a month, regardless who sponnsored them
Edited by Abelbaba on 11-02-2013 12:56
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| flyingspurs |
Posted on 11-02-2013 13:20
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also will they develop if i sponsor (or not sponsor) them? |
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| Abelbaba |
Posted on 11-02-2013 13:56
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Domestique
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i beleve they do not |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 11-02-2013 22:15
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You sponsor them, you don't train or dope them, so they will not develop faster. |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 11-02-2013 22:19
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It happened to me quite a few times in PCM11 that a young rider signed for both the team sponsoring him and my team, leading to two identical "elite" riders in the game the next season.
I don't know whether that problem was solved in the latest edition, but it shouldn't be a big deal deleting one of them if it happens anyway.
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| flyingspurs |
Posted on 12-02-2013 05:41
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Lachi wrote:
You sponsor them, you don't train or dope them, so they will not develop faster.
do you mean in terms of progress
without sponsor < sponsor < signed ?
or there will be no progress for sponsoring/non-sponsoring? |
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Posted on 25-11-2024 13:50
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| CosmicOsmo |
Posted on 12-02-2013 08:12
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Lachi wrote:
You sponsor them, you don't train or dope them, so they will not develop faster.
you need to play in Bruyneel mode for that. its an option you can unlock after you beat the game. it unlocks the doping control panel.
top 10 of all time in no particular order, not including the cannibal cause hes automatically #1:
-Gemininani -Nencini -Anquetil -Coppi
-Kelly -Hinault -Zabel -Bettini -Rebellin -Magni
..and honorable mention to Tom Simpson whos career was cut short.
Top 5 noobs most likely to tear it up this season:
-Phinney -Moser -TJ -Guardini -DURBO!
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| Lachi |
Posted on 12-02-2013 22:59
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Grand Tour Champion
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flyingspurs wrote:
Lachi wrote:
You sponsor them, you don't train or dope them, so they will not develop faster.
do you mean in terms of progress
without sponsor < sponsor < signed ?
or there will be no progress for sponsoring/non-sponsoring?
Young riders will develop the same, no matter what you do.
But you can offer them a trainee contract. If the accept the contract, they will be in your team in autumn of the actual year and then you can set their training schedule and also assign a legendary coach to make them develop faster. |
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| CosmicOsmo |
Posted on 12-02-2013 23:01
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Lachi wrote:
flyingspurs wrote:
Lachi wrote:
You sponsor them, you don't train or dope them, so they will not develop faster.
do you mean in terms of progress
without sponsor < sponsor < signed ?
or there will be no progress for sponsoring/non-sponsoring?
Young riders will develop the same, no matter what you do.
But you can offer them a trainee contract. If the accept the contract, they will be in your team in autumn of the actual year and then you can set their training schedule and also assign a legendary coach to make them develop faster.
i was of the understanding that a legendary trainer didnt speed up progress but just allowed for full potential to be reached. is this not the case? or is it that it does both?
top 10 of all time in no particular order, not including the cannibal cause hes automatically #1:
-Gemininani -Nencini -Anquetil -Coppi
-Kelly -Hinault -Zabel -Bettini -Rebellin -Magni
..and honorable mention to Tom Simpson whos career was cut short.
Top 5 noobs most likely to tear it up this season:
-Phinney -Moser -TJ -Guardini -DURBO!
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 13-02-2013 08:14
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Tour de France Champion
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@Cosmic No, it's just about the speed. Every rider can reach their full potential, but sometimes it takes too long, and it is 'time' for declining. A legendary trainer(well, it's not about reputation, but about the trainer stats actually  ) just speeds up the development.
Feyenoord(football) and Kelderman fanboy
PCMdaily Awards: 12x nomination, 9x runner-up, 0x win.
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| CosmicOsmo |
Posted on 13-02-2013 21:53
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Under 23
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ah that makes sense. i always thought it influenced the training effect in a numerical sense not in a temporal one but i see it can technically do both if you dont get them with the right trainer right away. thanks for the info!
top 10 of all time in no particular order, not including the cannibal cause hes automatically #1:
-Gemininani -Nencini -Anquetil -Coppi
-Kelly -Hinault -Zabel -Bettini -Rebellin -Magni
..and honorable mention to Tom Simpson whos career was cut short.
Top 5 noobs most likely to tear it up this season:
-Phinney -Moser -TJ -Guardini -DURBO!
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| Kentaurus |
Posted on 13-02-2013 23:02
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Classics Specialist
Posts: 3999
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Progression is affected by 5 factors. 3 of which you have some control over. The other 2 you can edit if you so choose.
1: A rider will improve more rapidly in a stat that has a large difference between his limit and current value.
2: The type of training the rider receives, the extra boost can be found here with higher values giving more of a boost.
3: The trainers skill in the selected category of training, as well as the burden on the trainer due to the number of riders he is training.
As a trick, sometimes the most direct training isn't the best. If you have a puncher type rider and want to improve his hill stat, training him in climbing with a high skill climbing trainer can be better than training him as a puncher with a significantly lower skilled puncher trainer.
4: A riders "gene_i_day_progression" doesn't affect long term growth, but displays how many days until the next stat progressions will be applied to the riders current stats. Shorter intervals means the stats will update more frequently but with lower increases. While longer intervals will mean less changes, but more drastic increases.
5: The most critical part is his "DYN_cyclist" - "gene_i_year_progression" which is rated from 1 to 5. A rider with a 1 in this stat will barely progress even with good trainers, and a rider with a 5 will excel. (1 reduces his progression to 20% of average, 2 is 50%, 3 is 100%, 4 is 150%, and 5 is 300%). These values can be found in "STA_cyclist_progression" and I highly recommend adjusting them from the default. I normally set them as:
1 - 0.5
2 - 0.75
3 - 1.0
4 - 1.33
5 - 2
This gives a much more balanced feel, as before riders who got a 1 would basically not progress, and riders with a 5 could become elite in a single year.
Edited by Kentaurus on 13-02-2013 23:05
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| CosmicOsmo |
Posted on 13-02-2013 23:08
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Under 23
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Kentaurus wrote:
These values can be found in "STA_cyclist_progression" and I highly recommend adjusting them from the default. I normally set them as:
1 - 0.5
2 - 0.75
3 - 1.0
4 - 1.33
5 - 2
i would like to mention that this method is much preferable to adjusting the "progression" slider at the start of a new career
top 10 of all time in no particular order, not including the cannibal cause hes automatically #1:
-Gemininani -Nencini -Anquetil -Coppi
-Kelly -Hinault -Zabel -Bettini -Rebellin -Magni
..and honorable mention to Tom Simpson whos career was cut short.
Top 5 noobs most likely to tear it up this season:
-Phinney -Moser -TJ -Guardini -DURBO!
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| Kentaurus |
Posted on 13-02-2013 23:18
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Classics Specialist
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Well adjusting the progression slider at the beginning affects all of these values, and I would advise adjusting that slider to fit the way you would like to play more. I normally adjust the slider down to about a mid .3 which seems about right.
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| Kentaurus |
Posted on 13-02-2013 23:40
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Classics Specialist
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Would like to do more testing with this, but my computer just did a windows update restart, and now I can't get PCM fast editor to work anymore (it freezes as soon as it starts).
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| CosmicOsmo |
Posted on 14-02-2013 04:34
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Under 23
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ah .3 might be a little slow for me. ive kept my slider at .5 but i do use your exact STA_cyclist_progression values and find that its much preferable to using a .2 or .3 and keeping the values at normal. the greats really do progress too too fast otherwise
top 10 of all time in no particular order, not including the cannibal cause hes automatically #1:
-Gemininani -Nencini -Anquetil -Coppi
-Kelly -Hinault -Zabel -Bettini -Rebellin -Magni
..and honorable mention to Tom Simpson whos career was cut short.
Top 5 noobs most likely to tear it up this season:
-Phinney -Moser -TJ -Guardini -DURBO!
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