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Rider Fatgue- heart rates in races
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| Spronx |
Posted on 24-10-2007 10:23
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the other day i was playing online! a mountain stage!
I attacked on second last mountain of the day with cunego! i had protected him the whole day! so when he attacked it went green for extra long effort!
Me and simoni got about 3 minutes on the pack! who tried valiently to catch us!
now with 5 km to go i hit almost full on redbars I had 1 Bar to go before i hit the wall!!
now i changed first to 70 on relay! didnt slow the red bar at all! i cudnt change to hold position, as i would lose simoni's wheel! then i changed to 60 Relay and stil nothing chan ged! my heartrate was between 165- 170 at the time, but still the dreaded red bar kept moving up all be it a bit slower
i have realised watching the heartrates of ur riders is very important, especially online, where it is very competitive! just would like to know what i couldv done to stop or slow done my red bar from fulling up!
as in the last km when i went to sprint for win, i quickly hit the wall and lost over a minute in final KM
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 24-10-2007 10:31
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It's difficult to say, but if it's possible, try to have at least one bottle left on the last mountain. |
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| Spronx |
Posted on 24-10-2007 10:36
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i did, which i used in last 5 km, but it didnt help at all! |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 24-10-2007 10:41
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By using the bottle, his heart rate will increase. It's better to have a bottle left than having a zero bottles + full blue energy. |
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| Spronx |
Posted on 24-10-2007 11:19
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agreed but i had to use it! also! just want to know what heart rate area is gud, and whats the cut off for red to begin growing any1 know? |
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| mrlol |
Posted on 24-10-2007 12:04
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try to not attack too often. I usually get full red when I attack more then 2 times. In fact, you should get away with one attack. |
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| Spronx |
Posted on 24-10-2007 12:45
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yip, i did only attack once! then just relayed with simoni and built a huge gap, but relay was only around 70% or so! im talking about, can u stop or slow down the red once its started? |
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| KurtinSC |
Posted on 24-10-2007 13:19
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Lowering the effort causes your heart rate to decrease.... but your red bar won't stop growing until your heart rate drops below a certain level. That takes some time... it's not instantaneous.
Also, when you aren't leading the relay (when you're behind Simoni) he controls the pace and your rider will use whatever effort is necessary to stay on the wheel (until he is out of juice). Your effort setting only takes effect when you are at the front. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 24-10-2007 13:24
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166 heart rate is the threshold. higher means the red will rise.
if your guy isn't at the exact front of the group, what you're doing with him (percentage, etc) counts for nothing, because the group is going at the pace of the guy that's at the front of the group. so if you're relaying but there's someone else relaying just in front, your guy is trying to hold on to the pace of the guy in front. which may very well be too high for your guy.
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| Macquet |
Posted on 24-10-2007 15:41
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Just jumping in here with a related question...Would using the free effort 0-> be better than trying to relay in that case so you maintain your effort and not try to ride at the effort level of someone having a better day??
I had the same problem in the first big mountain stage in Paris-Nice with Hincapie, he was away by 1'30" but hit the wall before the sprint because I could not get his red bar to slow down. And we were downhilling and should have had the advantage.
Edited by Macquet on 24-10-2007 15:43
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| issoisso |
Posted on 24-10-2007 16:24
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Macquet wrote:
Just jumping in here with a related question...Would using the free effort 0-> be better than trying to relay in that case so you maintain your effort and not try to ride at the effort level of someone having a better day??
sure. people used to consider the dot a cheat because it made your rider use less energy. not so in this PCM, since if you use it, you'll either be left behind, or if you're going faster, the others will latch onto your wheel as if you were on infinite relay.
so yes, the dot will work fine 
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| Macquet |
Posted on 24-10-2007 17:19
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The way I understand the system, your riders' form for the day is more important than his stamina and other ratings when it comes to matching effort on a climb or otherwise, being new to the PCM series I have no comparison to other versions...how would using the free effort (dot) a cheat??? Just out of curiosity? |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 24-10-2007 17:31
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Macquet wrote:
The way I understand the system, your riders' form for the day is more important than his stamina and other ratings when it comes to matching effort on a climb
not really. form of the day acts as a positive or negative bonus to their ratings, which are still the most important part.
Macquet wrote:
being new to the PCM series I have no comparison to other versions...how would using the free effort (dot) a cheat??? Just out of curiosity?
issoisso wrote:
people used to consider the dot a cheat because it made your rider use less energy
Edited by issoisso on 24-10-2007 17:31
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| Macquet |
Posted on 24-10-2007 17:44
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Got it, thanks for the clarification. |
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| shadow80 |
Posted on 03-11-2007 17:54
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Well, also keep in mind that once you go past a line on the red meter, you will NOT go back below it, as far as I've noticed. The only time you can get back below that line is if you max out, recover, you're back at the 2nd line. |
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