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| KurtinSC |
Posted on 23-10-2007 16:08
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I have a team made up entirely of free agents in the PCM Spain database and I'm unsure of how to develop certain riders.
I have some guys in the database that in real life are coming from a track cycling background. Two in particular are confusing me. Gregory Bauge and Chris Hoy.
Bauge has some excellent sprint skills (something like 81 speed and 82 Acceleration)... but he's pretty useless in every other area. (low 50's in many skills). I'm thinking that I might have been stupid training him in sprinting to date.
Really... he doesn't have far to go as a sprinter (since 85 is the max). I'm thinking maybe I should train him as a climber or puncheur for a while... try to get him to 60 on hills so he can get into position to win a sprint when there are some speed bumps in the road.
Hoy is similarly bad at hills. He's got an 80 ACC, a 78 TT and a 70 flat... and everything else is pretty bad (though he does have a 60 COB for some reason). I'm keeping him as a pure TT but I'm thinking climber or stage training would be useful (just to GET him to a TT in the middle of a tour)
I also have some guys like Alex Rasmussen or Manan who have mid 70's sprint skills and poor hill rankings. I'm training them as sprinters since they have more room to advance... but will my hill/mtn scores go up a little as they advance, or do I HAVE to train them in a program that has some use for those skills? |
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| Balaverde |
Posted on 23-10-2007 16:15
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Bauge should be trained in his hilly stat, I agree. What is his flat skill? He's not a Theo Bos?
Hoy could be trained as a stage racer since good recovery is what you want, basically.
If I had bot Bauge, Manan and Rasmussen in the same squad, I think I would make one of them very able to cope with speedbumps, one of them very flat-only and one of them a little of both. But I don't know.
Their MO and HI will increase, even though you train them as sprinters. As long as it's low enough. And it is  |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 23-10-2007 16:39
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Bauge is pretty much the same as Theo Bos. Same background, at least. Both riders are track cycling riders.
Anyway, I agree. You need to train them in something else than sprinting. Puncheur would be good. Also, maybe time trialling would benefit them as they get a higher flat skill.
But remember, it might also mean that their skills in sprinting and accelaration will decrease. |
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| KurtinSC |
Posted on 23-10-2007 18:08
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Skills can decrease?
I knew they could with age but I didn't realize they could go down from training another skill up. |
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| raindog |
Posted on 17-04-2008 21:27
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CrueTrue wrote:
Anyway, I agree. You need to train them in something else than sprinting. Puncheur would be good. Also, maybe time trialling would benefit them as they get a higher flat skill.
But remember, it might also mean that their skills in sprinting and accelaration will decrease.
Sorry for the bump but I'm newbie and I can't find a confirmation anywhere.
Can skills decrease for young riders depending on the training?
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 17-04-2008 21:30
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Skills can only decrease with age, they cant decrease any other way
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 17-04-2008 21:52
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I disagree SN, i had Vanspeybrouck in my tinkoff career, and whilst at level 3 exp he had 72 Mountain (still being trained in Northern Classics) and when he went to level 4, his mountain stat went DOWN to 66. Which shattered his overall GC position in the race he was in at that time.
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| KurtinSC |
Posted on 17-04-2008 22:16
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Really? I've never seen that happen. I've always seen stat increases from experience gain based on their stated specialty, not what they're training on.
For example, in PCM spain I was training Edvald Boasson Hagen from exp 1 to exp 4 over a season. I trained him as Puncheur and Stage racer for the most part... but his stat advances were all sprinting based (by the time he was level 4 I had switched back to sprint training, but he was at 70 MO, 74 Hil, and 78 sprint.
Could it have something to do with an experience increase when the person has already reached their total stat max? Perhaps in order to "make room" for an increase in COB it lowered his MO?
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| raindog |
Posted on 19-04-2008 12:59
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Thank you for your replies.
KurtinSC wrote:
Could it have something to do with an experience increase when the person has already reached their total stat max? Perhaps in order to "make room" for an increase in COB it lowered his MO?
I agree with you. When a rider has reached his full potential (total number of skill points to be distributed), an experience level increase can cause a decrease of some skills in order to increase other skills depending on the specialization of the rider. |
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 19-04-2008 13:23
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KurtinSC wrote:
For example, in PCM spain I was training Edvald Boasson Hagen from exp 1 to exp 4 over a season.
Not on subject, but is it even possible to race him that many days it would take to go all the way from exp 1 to 4?
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| KurtinSC |
Posted on 29-04-2008 15:24
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Waghlon wrote:
KurtinSC wrote:
For example, in PCM spain I was training Edvald Boasson Hagen from exp 1 to exp 4 over a season.
Not on subject, but is it even possible to race him that many days it would take to go all the way from exp 1 to 4?
Yes. Boasson Hagen in PCM Spain is only a race or two from lvl 2... his bar at lvl 1 is nearly full.
If you race him in the down under classic, then the tour down under, then the tour of Langkawi, you'll only need a couple of 1-day HC races or the Tour of California to get to lvl 3.
Then race him in two pro-tour stage races and a couple of other pro-tour one day races or a third stage race through April and he can be lvl 4 by the Giro.
Race the Giro and his lvl 4 bar will be 3/4ths of the way full. By that point though you're pretty much done for the season. It may be easier for Boassen Hagen though because his skills start so high. I was able to win races while building him up, which might have helped experience gain.
For the most part in my careers, I use early season races solely for rider development. I only have 1 or 2 riders already developed who work toward good results... everyone else is there for development.
It's harder in the 08 DB. With just the TDU, then no pro-tour races until April it won't be possible to get some of the lvl 1 and lvl 2 guys up to lvl 4 by the Giro. |
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| shadow80 |
Posted on 06-05-2008 23:54
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Actually about Vanspeybrouck, I suspect that the drop is more likely to be because you had him at a training camp in the mountains and the training effect wears off after 60 or 90 days. |
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 07-05-2008 00:17
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Nope, Vanspeybrouck did not attend any training camps. Petrov had, but other than that i had no need to send anyone else away. He's just a helper.
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