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confusion on my race strategy
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| Braithwaite1985 |
Posted on 04-10-2012 13:13
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ok so... ive created my own team and begun the season...
first race my sprinter came a modest 2nd and my hill rider picked up a few mid race sprint points
second race my sprinter wins the stage and hill rider picks up more points and sprinter is 20 seconds in the lead in overall class
now... in the 3rd race, its a mountain stage and basically i get it all wrong......
my sprinter is now 22nd in overall and i have no idea how to plan stages, who to go for in what section...
i have a mixed bag of riders,
should i concentrate on stage wins with the specific speciallists and just let the others help him and have a guy who wants to win the genral overall winner make sure hes in the mix at the front
because my sprinter was leading i got the impression i needed to use him as my overall winner or should i just keep going for flat sprints with him and choose a balanced guy to go for overall??
i think im doing ok to say im a complete noob, its on normal difficulty, ive watched all tutorials and reaad everything i can find on here
im just confused when it comes to picking certain riders and what to go for in the stage, should i have a rider to win each stage and a rider to try and be near the front of each stage to hopefully win the overall class???
sorry for the noob question but im well confused |
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| JuanMotr |
Posted on 04-10-2012 13:46
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I think with sprinters you should go for a stage wins only because if there are some mountain or tough hilly stages your sprinter isn´t good enough to stay in front of the pack. So maybe even before the race you should set tactic for yourself with wich rider you are going for GC and with wich one for stage wins.
Hope it helps. 
Edited by JuanMotr on 04-10-2012 13:46
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| lennybernstein |
Posted on 04-10-2012 13:51
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Hi there
A sprinter is unlikely to do very well in a mountain stage and so will generally lose a lot of time. You can therefore generally discount a sprinter to win a tour if it features mountains.
Your strategy for each tour will depend on what kind of riders you have and what kind of terrain the stages feature. Obviously in a tour with lots of mountain stages, you'll be looking to your climbers for stage wins and the overall victory. Or if the stages are a mixture between hills, time trials and mountains then you'll need a true GC rider to compete for the overall.
There's nothing to stop you going for stage wins AND GC. By all means use your sprinter to win flat stages and bunch sprints. He could even win the GC on flatter tours if he wins enough time bonuses.
But the beauty of cycling is that there are so many strategies and permutations, there is no set formula for how you approach a race. With more experience you'll soon learn what works and what doesn't, but even the most experienced PCM manager will employ different race tactics to suit their team, the terrain and their strategic preferences.
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| Braithwaite1985 |
Posted on 04-10-2012 15:00
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Super answers guys, made it a lot clearer, this race has flat and mountains so ill just use my sprinter in flats and he can be water carrier in rest and vice versa for mountain riders and mountain stages and I will use a general all rounder to go for GC |
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| Braithwaite1985 |
Posted on 04-10-2012 15:12
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So if its a mountain stage do I use my sprinter to fetch water and protect my GC and have him just relax near the end and vice Versa with mountain rider on flat stages? |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 04-10-2012 16:00
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Braithwaite1985 wrote:
So if its a mountain stage do I use my sprinter to fetch water and protect my GC and have him just relax near the end and vice Versa with mountain rider on flat stages?
Your sprinter should not be completely exhausted if there are sprint stages still to come.
Mountain domestiques are great to get water in flat stages, but I would desist from using your leader for that.
They can easily suffer too much in the final kilometres and loose time in splits, and your leader should rarely waste the green bar in any way if it's not necessary.
(Well, if it's Tony Martin, and you might need a good leadout man, you can use him. But always try to balance pros and cons before deciding that.)
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| Braithwaite1985 |
Posted on 04-10-2012 16:06
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Ok so...
Before a race I need to choose my mountain stage winners and flat winners and GC contender and everyone else used as dimes toques and general lead outs and water fetcher?
What's the exact purpose of the leader? |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 04-10-2012 16:19
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Normally, you should know before the race which rider is the one you ride for in every stage, as well as who is your GC contender.
Especially that should only change if something surprising occurs (crash, split, breakaway f.ex.) or if you have two similar riders.
Your leader is the guy who is supposed to finish the race in the least time 
Therefore, protect him with weaker riders, get him water often enough, and position him well when it's important to.
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| Braithwaite1985 |
Posted on 04-10-2012 16:52
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Ahhhhhh, ok got it, so for the Tour de France for example you would have different leaders in different stages?
What do I do with my GC man if my leader is sprinter or mountain specialist?
Do I use him to protect leader and aim to finish as high up as possible knowing he won't win the stage?
Cheers guys, it's very much appreciated |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 04-10-2012 16:55
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On the flat stages you just let your GC rider stay protected near the front of the main field, saving as much energy as possible. Just make sure that he doesn't get caught in any splits. Don't let him pace the peloton or collect bottles for your sprinter with him.
In the mountain stages, your GC rider should be your leader.
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| cio93 |
Posted on 04-10-2012 16:56
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Braithwaite1985 wrote:
Ahhhhhh, ok got it, so for the Tour de France for example you would have different leaders in different stages?
Take Sky as an example. Wiggins is the man for the mountains, while the team works for Cavendish when as sprint finish is expected.
Braithwaite1985 wrote:
What do I do with my GC man if my leader is sprinter or mountain specialist?
Do I use him to protect leader and aim to finish as high up as possible knowing he won't win the stage?
If your leader is a mountain specialist, he should be your GC man as well
Important: If you can't gain time on other favourites or win the stage, don't do more than necessary to stay in the front group.
Especially don't use your GC man to protect anybody, you have 6/7 other riders to do that. Better, always have one rider to protect your GC man, whether it's needed or not.
EDIT:
Pelli Zabel'd me...? man, I wanted to avoid that as long as possible
Edited by cio93 on 04-10-2012 16:58
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| Braithwaite1985 |
Posted on 04-10-2012 17:18
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Cheers guys, sorry for the noob questions, think I've just about got it now 👍
Much appreciated |
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| Braithwaite1985 |
Posted on 04-10-2012 18:08
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I'm guns restart my career I think,
Gutted as I won stage 2 of first tour but 3rd stage was a complete mess and ruined everything as I didn't have a clue in the mountains, I should be much better now,
Did I have a good start? Winning stage 2, it's my first ever game on pcm, only had a few practise races with team sky, I made my own team and filled it mainly with youths, thought I did ok,
Oh and difficulty is set to normal |
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