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I want to increase my haemotocrit need help
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| Ybodonk |
Posted on 19-07-2012 09:42
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So with all the doping threads lately and focus on this i will try to get back in shape.
I havent been riding a bike for 7 years almost, and i havent played soccer at high level (+6times a week) for the past two years. This has had lead to 19 extra kilos of fat on my body.
However by running a lot i have slowly comed back to shape.
I have lost 6 kilos this year and gained some muscle mass, but im still like 10kg overweight compared to my optimal weight. ( i am 176 cm and weighs 81 kilos..
I do know something about haemotocrit etc. But is there any simpel way of getting my values?
Lets say i have something around 40 % would it be possible for a amateur like me, to get close to 50 % haemotocrit value ? And can we get this one in one year from now ?
Wonder what the effect would be if someone like me took xpiramide and those kind of medical stuff.
Next year a friend and i will take a cycling vacation in the pyreness at the same time as the tour is running.
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| Rin |
Posted on 19-07-2012 09:45
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| Vien |
Posted on 19-07-2012 09:50
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Try finding the answer here, they know all about it
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| Ybodonk |
Posted on 19-07-2012 09:52
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Vien wrote:
Try finding the answer here, they know all about it
Haha that was the laugh of the day
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| Ybodonk |
Posted on 19-07-2012 10:00
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Maybe i will get to many heart and blood problems if i get to cloose to 50 %
Might as well aiming for riding 400 w across 15km with avg of 7,7 %
Watt training here i come ... |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 19-07-2012 10:16
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| Ybodonk |
Posted on 19-07-2012 10:20
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Hehe actually i will try watt training, like i said i havent been riding for 7 years.
Today i will go out and buy a new bike, i will find some kind of mini computer who can give me all the right data.
All you guys who still actually rides and train etc. what kind of hardware equipment would you recommend ? Not too expensive though.
I would hournestly appreciate your help .
EDIT : Stop claiming this is a troll thread, otherwise you will scare all the help away 
Omg it seems hard to find any cheap solutions  ?
Edited by Ybodonk on 19-07-2012 10:27
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| samdiatmh |
Posted on 19-07-2012 10:30
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send a message to Wiggins (twitter here: https://twitter.c...dwiggins/) and ask him to help you with finding the haemtocrit drug |
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| SweatyViking |
Posted on 19-07-2012 10:35
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Ask Froome |
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| Vien |
Posted on 19-07-2012 10:35
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Why not Froome? He's experienced in not doing anything for 2 years
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 19-07-2012 10:54
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You're talking about Froome and Sky, but you're forgeting about Mr. Ivailo Gabrovski.  |
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| carmelobymelo |
Posted on 19-07-2012 11:01
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FreitasPCM wrote:
You're talking about Froome and Sky, but you're forgeting about Mr. Ivailo Gabrovski.
He says it's hard work  https://www.youtub...UXo1cEZdnw
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 19-07-2012 11:22
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Assuming it's not trolling (me), let's try to be friendly.
Haematocrit levels : measure yours (blood check), otherwise there's no point talking about it. It's set naturally, so have high values (50+ %) other a low one (below 40).
Of course it's illegal to use medicines to enhance your production.
Though, if it's low, there might be a logical explanation to it, which could be a lack of iron in your blood (check it as well). Then you can start working on that, to bring it back to more normal numbers. Take iron, either through legal pills, either through food. Take vitamin C, so that you can assimilate iron, and don't take milk at the same time, because it prevents iron assimilation.
No idea about computers, I use very standard ones (bike computer), plus a Polar watch. Then I sometimes do indirect measurements for self-comparison purposes.
Also, I try to take note of everything I do as training, just like I note my weight and fat mass in an Excel file (I could show it one of these days, if anyone's interested).
Watts training ? I'm not sure about it. I always reason based on heart beat values, threshold, etc. Your wattage may evolve depending on many parameters, like your weight, your breathing threshold, etc.
My two cents...
Edited by Aquarius on 19-07-2012 11:23
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| Ybodonk |
Posted on 19-07-2012 17:17
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Aquarius wrote:
Assuming it's not trolling (me), let's try to be friendly.
Haematocrit levels : measure yours (blood check), otherwise there's no point talking about it. It's set naturally, so have high values (50+ %) other a low one (below 40).
Of course it's illegal to use medicines to enhance your production.
Though, if it's low, there might be a logical explanation to it, which could be a lack of iron in your blood (check it as well). Then you can start working on that, to bring it back to more normal numbers. Take iron, either through legal pills, either through food. Take vitamin C, so that you can assimilate iron, and don't take milk at the same time, because it prevents iron assimilation.
No idea about computers, I use very standard ones (bike computer), plus a Polar watch. Then I sometimes do indirect measurements for self-comparison purposes.
Also, I try to take note of everything I do as training, just like I note my weight and fat mass in an Excel file (I could show it one of these days, if anyone's interested).
Watts training ? I'm not sure about it. I always reason based on heart beat values, threshold, etc. Your wattage may evolve depending on many parameters, like your weight, your breathing threshold, etc.
My two cents...
Im in a hurry so a quick answer. First of all thank you for your long and insightfull post, Was hoping you would answer, especially since we have argued the past few days
I am interested in your excel file, it would give me inspiration and overview of how you are "training". Then i will hopefully imitate that and come back in very good shape.
Very helpfull post , ty. |
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| Andreas93 |
Posted on 19-07-2012 18:49
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Living and training in the height will give you a haemotocrit boost, because the air is thinner. You could also buy/rent a "hight house", which simulates the thin air in the height.
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| Rauling |
Posted on 19-07-2012 19:04
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Actually, scientists from Denmark and Switzerland have made a research with 'placebo'.
They found out that height training doesn't work.
The Source is Politiken.dk (a Danish newspaper but you can try to use Google Translate): https://politiken....en-effekt/
I'm not saying what is wrong and what is right but I think it is quite substantial in this.
Edited by Rauling on 19-07-2012 19:10
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 19-07-2012 20:32
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Ybodonk wrote:
Im in a hurry so a quick answer. First of all thank you for your long and insightfull post, Was hoping you would answer, especially since we have argued the past few days
I am interested in your excel file, it would give me inspiration and overview of how you are "training". Then i will hopefully imitate that and come back in very good shape.
Very helpfull post , ty.
You're welcome.
My file is all in French though, so I'll translate it later tonight or this week-end, before uploading it. |
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| jph27 |
Posted on 19-07-2012 20:34
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Pfft, I'll sell you my naturally high and fluctuating haemotocrit. Only slight use, and cheaper than most doctors. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 19-07-2012 22:41
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Well, here it is, attached to the message.
All credits (c) myself. "JMP" is me, if anyone wonders.
I didn't manage to get Excel translating dates to English, so there's some French language leftovers here and there, but nothing too complicated.
First tab is about weight. My weigh-scale machine gives me access to my fat mass (through age and height). I don't think the figures should be taken too seriously, as they make me look fatter than I actually am, but the global evolution makes sense.
F.M. is for fat mass.
Dry mass, is, of course, the difference between total mass and fat mass.
Second tab is where I write my training and how I feel (sports-wise), as well as the kind of training, which is almost useless, as almost all the running is made of interval-training (marked I.T.), or racing.
Third tab, well, I've started playing with figures there. R.E.H. is Running Equivalent Hours. I considered 1h of swimming was worth 27 minutes (45 %) of running, 1 hour of home-trainer (indoor trainer) is worth 36 minutes of running (60 %), whereas 1 hour on the bike is 30 minutes of running, and 1 hour on the MTB is equivalent to 33 minutes of running.
I know the proportions are debatable, but that shouldn't be too far from the truth, given my level in the different disciplines.
You'll find a graph there, with the aggregated training loads, on the last 14 or 15 days. I decided the training of the former day would get a 15 coefficient, two days prior would get a 14 coefficient, etc. Then I'd divide the total by the sum of coefficients.
If I didn't injured so often, and that I'd actually take part in running competitions every week or other week, that should show huge training loads in March, then lower ones as my season was originally planned to start early April.
In the bottom, I've also included late 2011 training, so that my graph wouldn't start from zero.
4th tab is still being questioned.
Macro cycles are the 10 weeks between peaks. I know that according to people it can be reduced to 8 weeks between two peaks, but rarely longer than 10. I went for 10, but I'm not sure, plus with all the injuries, professional obligations, etc. it doesn't necessarily make as much sense as it would do for a pro, or a random high school amateur cyclist like I used to be.
Then there's the micro cycle aspect : "what have I done these last few days ?". The objective is to maximise that value for competition days. I went for a formula that says that what I did 6 days prior gets a 3 coefficient. 5 days prior gets a 2. 4 days gets a one. 3 days doesn't count (in the microcycle). 2 days prior is compared to the recent average. If lower it's added, if above it's deduced. 1 day prior is the same, but twice more important.
Both those, and their combination, appear on a graph. They're expressed in hours, but that doesn't really make sense, IMO.
I'm struggling to elaborate is the combination of macro and micro cycles (proportions of each), as well as their respective calculations, which are arbitrary. It's very amateurish by me, so if anyone has better ideas to figure them out, please voice it.
Also, what might work for me might not work for everyone, as we don't necessarily share the same recuperation abilities.
Sorry for the longuish message and headache going with it. I just like physiology.
edit : I don't see the attached document ? somebody tells me whether it's here ?!
edit 2 : should work now
https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid...RlmNH-TFGs
Edited by Aquarius on 19-07-2012 22:46
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| solano |
Posted on 20-07-2012 07:53
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Sorry Aquarius but it made me smile that your link is on the 'skydrive'.
You been seeing Dr Leinders to get you training programme? massive |
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