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How do you feel about editing?
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 19-08-2011 16:26
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I have a feeling that about half of the threads in this forum are about editing. Not just editing the money bug (which there is a fix for), but all kinds of editing; money, condition, etc.
I feel that the most common question here is about editing your finances. Again, I think it's okay when it has to do with the bug, but not when it comes to giving yourself more money due to bad planning. For me, this falls under the same category as editing your rider if he is injured just before the TdF to get him back in condition or something like that.
I don't mean to slag anybody of here, but I just think that it's kinda cheating when you give yourself more money because you hired to much staff members so that you are going bankrupt. Same with i.e. editing the potential of young rider etc. I just don't see the fun in playing that way.
Edited by cactus-jack on 19-08-2011 16:33
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| felix_29 |
Posted on 19-08-2011 16:37
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Any editing that gives you an advantage about the AI is cheating, the rest isn´t.
Changing unrealistic things is ok as well, e.g. make Contador ride the WCs when the course suits his abillities.
Thus, i can´t choose "yes" or "no", you could add an option like "partly yes, partly no".
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| Mr_Monk |
Posted on 19-08-2011 16:42
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I would say partly yes. Say if Voeckler goes over to Garmin in 2012, then I would use the editor to put him back at Europcar. So you should do what felix said and add more options. |
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 19-08-2011 16:43
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felix_29 wrote:
Any editing that gives you an advantage about the AI is cheating, the rest isn´t.
Changing unrealistic things is ok as well, e.g. make Contador ride the WCs when the course suits his abillities.
Thus, i can´t choose "yes" or "no", you could add an option like "partly yes, partly no".
Honestly, I think that making a rider participate in a race when he doens't want to is cheating aswell. Even in the real world logic isn't the way to go; Boasson Hagen has said that he doens't want to be in the WC TT, yet his chances of getting a top 10 is higher there then in the Road Race, atleast in my opinion.
Also, if you don't know what to vote, choose "Don't know".
Edited by cactus-jack on 19-08-2011 17:11
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| kumazan |
Posted on 19-08-2011 16:44
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When people pay for a game they can play it the way they enjoy it the most.
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| felix_29 |
Posted on 19-08-2011 17:06
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cactus-jack wrote:
felix_29 wrote:
Any editing that gives you an advantage about the AI is cheating, the rest isn´t.
Changing unrealistic things is ok as well, e.g. make Contador ride the WCs when the course suits his abillities.
Thus, i can´t choose "yes" or "no", you could add an option like "partly yes, partly no".
Honestly, I think that making a rider participate in a race when he doens't want to is cheating aswell. Even in the real world logic isn't the way to go; Boasson Hagen has said that he doens't want to be in the WC TT, yet his chances of getting a top 10 is higher there then in the Road Race, atleast in my opinion.
Also, if you don't know what to vote, choose "Don't know".
I know what i want to vote, the option is simply missing
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 19-08-2011 17:12
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Fine, I'll bow to pressure! There's your goddam "Sometimes-button"!
Now, can me move on with the discussion? |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 20-08-2011 18:09
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kumazan wrote:
When people pay for a game they can play it the way they enjoy it the most.
Agreed. I couldn't care less what people do with their game. |
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| mnissen |
Posted on 21-08-2011 14:41
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I´ve never used an editor myself, but as I play with the daily db, one could argue that I´ve cheated by editing the rider stats. I don´t know much about cycling, so when everybody in the PCM community clams that Cyanides stats are wrong, I believe them. So when it comes to stats I don´t feel it´s cheating.
Other kinds of editing (budget, contracts, form etc) is clearly cheating in my book. If you´ve done a poor job in some way during your career, you need to adapt and learn from it so it doesn´t happen again. You don´t just change the world around you to fit your needs.
Obviously there are some "grey zones" in a game like this, because so many things don´t work as intended, but if the game felt more realistic editing wouldn´t be needed. Other management games (like FM) don´t need to be edited to work properly, and in games like that there´s no doubt you´re cheating if you mess around with the db. |
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| pbenoit4 |
Posted on 21-08-2011 14:47
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I try to play the game within the parameters that were set for me by the game designers and database creators. I've only fiddled with some minor things, like making riders contract lengths shorter for riders I didn't want on my team, but couldn't afford to release because the default setting gave them a 3-year contract. Other than that, I just try to do my best with what has been presented to me. |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 22-08-2011 08:49
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I cannot understand why this really is a discussion. Most people in this forum play the DB of pcmdaily which has been EDITED massively. Also some use my season planner, which does edit the save. In my eyes there is not a difference between editing before you start a career or after. And is there really a big difference between playing on easy or giving your team more money? |
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 22-08-2011 12:29
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Lachi wrote:
I cannot understand why this really is a discussion. Most people in this forum play the DB of pcmdaily which has been EDITED massively. Also some use my season planner, which does edit the save. In my eyes there is not a difference between editing before you start a career or after. And is there really a big difference between playing on easy or giving your team more money?
But the DB has been edited stat-wise and graphic-wise. First; those stats are only corrections, you haven't given Cavendish 75 in MO or anything. Read my earlier posts in this topic and you'll see my point. Second: the rest of the editing has been done to improve graphics (cars, jerseys, stages, etc.)
I can't say anything regarding the Season Planner since I've never tried using it, but as far as I know it's a tool which lets you set up the season and fitness schedule without having to sit down with a peice of paper and a pen, right? If that is so; I wouldn't call it cheating, it is simple making an inconvenience a little less noticeable.
"... is there really a big difference between playing on easy or giving your team more money?" Yes, there is. There are players here who arn't quite good enough to win at normal, hard or extreme. You can't compare those two things.
Now, since no one seems to be reading my initial posts I will try to make something clear, yet again. I am not the kind of person who goes around yelling "Cheater, cheater" at someone, I'm just curios as to what the overall opinion about editing the DB is? And another thing, and I can't emphasize this enough; I have no problem with people playing the game the way that they choose!
Personally, I don't see the fun of giving yourself alot more money so that you can have all the best staff in the game or getting all the best riders on to your team and editing their contracts so that you have Contador and Nibali being helpers for Andy Schleck in your second season. All riding on £2000/month wages. For me, it removes the incentive of playing the game; doing well in one year so that you can sign better riders next year and maybe one day signing a GC-favourite. |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 22-08-2011 12:43
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Why should I read your initial post if the question is so simple: "Is editing when it doesn't fix a bug okay?" All things I mentioned are edits unrelated to bugs. Maybe you should rephrase your question to "Is editing okay when it doesn't fix a bug, or concern a DB or the season planning or any other thing that Cyanide forget to program correctly?"
I don't understand you last sentence. You don't get more money if you perform well unless you edit your sponsor. |
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 22-08-2011 13:00
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Lachi wrote:
Why should I read your initial post if the question is so simple: "Is editing when it doesn't fix a bug okay?" All things I mentioned are edits unrelated to bugs. Maybe you should rephrase your question to "Is editing okay when it doesn't fix a bug, or concern a DB or the season planning or any other thing that Cyanide forget to program correctly?"
I don't understand you last sentence. You don't get more money if you perform well unless you edit your sponsor.
It wouldn't be a problem if you had read my first post instead of acting high and mighty.
No, you don't get more money, but you increase the chance of getting a good sponsor later on due to better results or by getting into the WT. |
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| M3d3k |
Posted on 22-08-2011 13:21
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CrueTrue wrote:
kumazan wrote:
When people pay for a game they can play it the way they enjoy it the most.
Agreed. I couldn't care less what people do with their game.
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| Lachi |
Posted on 22-08-2011 13:54
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cactus-jack wrote:
It wouldn't be a problem if you had read my first post instead of acting high and mighty.
High and mighty, you've got to be kidding me. I just think it is useless to question the habits of other players.
cactus-jack wrote:
No, you don't get more money, but you increase the chance of getting a good sponsor later on due to better results or by getting into the WT. This is not true either, you can find any kind of sponsor without results. The game does not remember last years results and you can start searching for sponsors in January. |
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| Semlan33 |
Posted on 22-08-2011 16:25
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I have no problem to understand the question and never edit anything by my self, except the corruptet stages.
And i dont care if others do. But im a bit confused when i seldom see any cheat accusation when players edit the db. But if someone goes on with trainingcamps there often is a lot of post where its stated that trainingcamps are cheat. |
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| Rayden |
Posted on 22-08-2011 17:08
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I don't see the point of this discussion or poll to find out who cheats or not, it's just a waste of time and people should just care of playing and enjoying the game the way they want without anyone minding others business, except if you cheat and come and brag you're a great player. |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 22-08-2011 17:44
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Semlan33 wrote:
I have no problem to understand the question and never edit anything by my self, except the corruptet stages.
And i dont care if others do. But im a bit confused when i seldom see any cheat accusation when players edit the db. But if someone goes on with trainingcamps there often is a lot of post where its stated that trainingcamps are cheat. If somebody uses an editor to raise his money he knows what he is doing, but if he is using trainings camps, he might not be aware of the fact, that it will give him an "unfair" advantage.
Most people prevent a discussion about the obvious, unless they are really bored or are trolling around. |
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