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Energy consumption and hold position
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| Oxslow |
Posted on 20-07-2011 22:39
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I am new to PCM and wonder if I set a rider to hold position and effort to 65 would they use the same amount of energy as if it was set to 70? Assuming 65 is high enough to keep them where they are.
Just thought of another question about energy bar. After you use it do you get the boost straight away when it is flashing green or when it is flashing red and yellow? |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 20-07-2011 22:44
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1. The energy that is actually used is the same, it just changes the maximum amount of energy that can be used.
2. The red/yellow phase is where you get the energy boost.
Edited by cio93 on 20-07-2011 22:44
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| clindorff |
Posted on 27-07-2011 18:42
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One quick question: Is there any good reasons why not to just bring all of your riders to the front of the pelaton and have them hold position at 99? |
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| brewers90 |
Posted on 27-07-2011 19:16
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clindorff wrote:
One quick question: Is there any good reasons why not to just bring all of your riders to the front of the pelaton and have them hold position at 99?
If you get to a hill on a flat stage when the pace is really high, you will absolutely destroy your sprinter if he tries to keep his position. If you just let him drop back a bit and then use a teammate to bring him back to the front on the descent it's much better.
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| cio93 |
Posted on 27-07-2011 19:16
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The further at the back your riders are, the better they are protected from the wind.
But from approx. position 40 downwards , there is no change in heart rate.
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If you have a good intuition about how a peloton reels in an early breakaway attempt (this does only apply if the speed will slow down afterwards -> in the first third of a race), you can lower the effort a bit to let your riders slowly move back.
When the speed slows down again, you can bring them back to the front at the same effort.
You can do this with sprinters at hills as well: start at the front, slowly fall back, accelerate in the descent.
This will save some energy.
These are just examples for really experienced players who want to save as much energy as possible. Following your way won't disadvantage you.
Edited by cio93 on 27-07-2011 19:18
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| Wyatt_Earp |
Posted on 28-07-2011 11:54
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brewers90 wrote:
If you get to a hill on a flat stage when the pace is really high, you will absolutely destroy your sprinter if he tries to keep his position. If you just let him drop back a bit and then use a teammate to bring him back to the front on the descent it's much better.
How du you use a teammate to bring another rider to the front?
How do you guys bring riders to the front, I set them on short relay until they are at front, and then hold position, is there a better way to do it? |
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| brewers90 |
Posted on 28-07-2011 13:56
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Wyatt_Earp wrote:
brewers90 wrote:
If you get to a hill on a flat stage when the pace is really high, you will absolutely destroy your sprinter if he tries to keep his position. If you just let him drop back a bit and then use a teammate to bring him back to the front on the descent it's much better.
How du you use a teammate to bring another rider to the front?
How do you guys bring riders to the front, I set them on short relay until they are at front, and then hold position, is there a better way to do it?
You use the protect option. Use a domestique to protect your sprinter and then put your sprinter at an effort that is high enough to move him forwards but not too high so he flies straight to the front and uses loads of energy. Or if it's close enough to the finish you can use the sprint follow icon. For example in the TDF, Cavendish would have dropped back on a hill, but Eisel would have gone with him. Once over the top Eisel will use his energy and Cav will just sit in his wheel. Simple. Hope that helps.
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| Wyatt_Earp |
Posted on 29-07-2011 11:51
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You use the protect option. Use a domestique to protect your sprinter and then put your sprinter at an effort that is high enough to move him forwards but not too high so he flies straight to the front and uses loads of energy. Or if it's close enough to the finish you can use the sprint follow icon. For example in the TDF, Cavendish would have dropped back on a hill, but Eisel would have gone with him. Once over the top Eisel will use his energy and Cav will just sit in his wheel. Simple. Hope that helps.[/quote]
Okey thanks a lot, never used this method. I suppose you mean the dot function, when you say put him at an effort that is high enough to move him forvard, right. |
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| brewers90 |
Posted on 29-07-2011 14:29
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Wyatt_Earp wrote:
You use the protect option. Use a domestique to protect your sprinter and then put your sprinter at an effort that is high enough to move him forwards but not too high so he flies straight to the front and uses loads of energy. Or if it's close enough to the finish you can use the sprint follow icon. For example in the TDF, Cavendish would have dropped back on a hill, but Eisel would have gone with him. Once over the top Eisel will use his energy and Cav will just sit in his wheel. Simple. Hope that helps.
Okey thanks a lot, never used this method. I suppose you mean the dot function, when you say put him at an effort that is high enough to move him forvard, right.[/quote]
Yep, you got it. 
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| mattie524 |
Posted on 24-08-2011 22:41
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what does the dot do? |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 25-08-2011 00:13
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In the manual the "dot" is called "individual effort".
Edited by Lachi on 25-08-2011 00:13
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| mattie524 |
Posted on 25-08-2011 03:51
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so what does that do? |
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| Kentaurus |
Posted on 25-08-2011 04:01
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It makes your rider ride at exactly the effort level you have set. Regardless of what the group is doing. It is considered essential to mountain stages where you don't want to destroy your rider too fast.
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| mattie524 |
Posted on 25-08-2011 05:57
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@kentaurus
thanks man |
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