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| GoAmadorGo44 |
Posted on 19-07-2011 00:59
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Who will win the Points Classification of this years Tour? |
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| siwi |
Posted on 19-07-2011 01:21
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WTF Rojas not in that poll???? 
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| GoAmadorGo44 |
Posted on 19-07-2011 01:41
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Well Rojas has been doing a good job of staying in the race for the jersey, but he is almsot a full stage's points behind Cav, his isn't a good enough climber to make up that many points over the next couple of stages, and there is only one more sprint stage left, which he really has almost no chance of betting Cavendish during. Gilbert is a threat because his climbing skills allow him to pick up points in these intermediate mountain stages where he could pick up points that Cavendish and Rojas can't. Gilbert should pick up the green jersey in one of the next few sages, if he doesn't by Stage 21 he has no chance of beating Cavendish in a pure sprint, especially on Cavs favorite stage, so Rojas's chances were a bit to slim to include him. Sorry, but I guess that is one for other  |
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| pbenoit4 |
Posted on 19-07-2011 01:51
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Rojas is actually a pretty good climber about on par with Hushovd, maybe a little better. Take, for example, his stage 7 3rd in the Tour de Suisse. He also was able to get over the Aubisque with the peloton. It wouldn't surprise me to see him finish with the GC guys over the next 2 stages (because you know they're just going to look at each other) or make it to the intermediate sprint on stage 19. |
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 19-07-2011 01:52
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Rojas has consistently scored the most points on stages where Cav hasn't contested in the sprint (i.e hilly stage) and its the reason he's still in the race (hes a much better climber than most sprinters if you didn;t know). Rojas has 10x the chance at the Green jersey, that Gilbert has. Its basically just Rojas vs. Cav at this point, and the only reason Cav would lose is if Rojas gets points the next couple days and then wins a stage, or if Cav finishes outside the timelimit.
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| GoAmadorGo44 |
Posted on 19-07-2011 02:11
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Yeah rojas is a good climber, but I think Gilbert definetley has better then 1/10th the chance of Rojas. Tommorow's stage is almost perfect for Gilbert, and as benoit said the GC contenders are going to be doing nothing but staring at each other for the next two stages, so Gilbert has a huge oppurtunity to get max points and take a lead over Cav to Paris, which would be really exciting to see. Rojas did really well to get points early on the climbing stages with Gilbert and finishing well in flat stages with Cavendish. But Rojas hasn't finished better than 3rd on any stage, he can't give up those 1st and 2nd place points just to be consistent. The green jersey is about consistency but you also have to win. Rojas even slipped to 6th on the sprint yesterday, he was almost a bike length behind the first five. Its a 15 point difference between first and third and ten between first and second, so he really has to win a stage if he wants to compete for the jersey. |
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 19-07-2011 02:28
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GoAmadorGo44 wrote:
Yeah rojas is a good climber, but I think Gilbert definetley has better then 1/10th the chance of Rojas. Tommorow's stage is almost perfect for Gilbert, and as benoit said the GC contenders are going to be doing nothing but staring at each other for the next two stages, so Gilbert has a huge oppurtunity to get max points and take a lead over Cav to Paris, which would be really exciting to see. Rojas did really well to get points early on the climbing stages with Gilbert and finishing well in flat stages with Cavendish. But Rojas hasn't finished better than 3rd on any stage, he can't give up those 1st and 2nd place points just to be consistent. The green jersey is about consistency but you also have to win. Rojas even slipped to 6th on the sprint yesterday, he was almost a bike length behind the first five. Its a 15 point difference between first and third and ten between first and second, so he really has to win a stage if he wants to compete for the jersey.
I dont think tommorows stage suits Gilbert perfectly at all. The climb is too far from the finish to do much other than attack from the top, and in the long descent Rojas should recover and be ready for the sprint assuming there will be one with the other strong sprinters being there as well. What I'm saying is theres no way Gilbert outsprints Rojas, so unless it doesn;t come down to a sprint, Rojas should be able to get even closer to the Green than Gilbert would. I dont see why you think Gilbert is some mighty beast that if he tries at anything no one can beat him. Its been proven that he doesn't even win all the time on short climbs to the finish let alone a sprint.
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| GoAmadorGo44 |
Posted on 19-07-2011 02:36
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yeah Gilbert is vulnerable, Cav even beat him this year in a sprint. But he did sweep the Ardennes classics, win the Belgian national RR title, and stage 1, so I think he's having a really great year and he looks to be in good form. Tommorow is a longer climb than he is used to, but Rojas isn't that much better of a descender, and the descent isn't that long. Rojas should finish well tommorow and possibly reclaim the green jersey, but Gilbert is currentley the worlds best puncheur and really wants the green jersey win. Rojas has to win tommorow or finsih 2nd to really hurt Cavendish's chance to finally win the green jersey |
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| titleist82 |
Posted on 19-07-2011 13:36
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Key stage for point classification will be the one to Alpe d'Huez
At 30km/h average for the winner, the timelimit will be within 21 minutes. Not easy for cav to get into it if the stage is fast since col du telegraphe. |
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| GoAmadorGo44 |
Posted on 20-07-2011 08:27
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titleist82 wrote:
Key stage for point classification will be the one to Alpe d'Huez
At 30km/h average for the winner, the timelimit will be within 21 minutes. Not easy for cav to get into it if the stage is fast since col du telegraphe.
Very True, and after Rojas only got 3 points today, all Cav really has to do is finish within the time limit of the Aple d'Huez stage and he wins the jersey, basically |
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 20-07-2011 08:53
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GoAmadorGo44 wrote:
titleist82 wrote:
Key stage for point classification will be the one to Alpe d'Huez
At 30km/h average for the winner, the timelimit will be within 21 minutes. Not easy for cav to get into it if the stage is fast since col du telegraphe.
Very True, and after Rojas only got 3 points today, all Cav really has to do is finish within the time limit of the Aple d'Huez stage and he wins the jersey, basically
apparently movistar has a plan during that stage. going full from km1. OFL should to the same!
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| GoAmadorGo44 |
Posted on 22-07-2011 05:26
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One more stage for Cav, then he finally gets the jersey
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| Trout80 |
Posted on 22-07-2011 08:04
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Pretty sure that cav is goint to win |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 22-07-2011 08:13
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Trout80 wrote:
Pretty sure that cav is goint to win
The winner should be able to finish within the time limit, Rojas is the winner for me
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| R_Funk |
Posted on 22-07-2011 08:21
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All those riders who finished outside the time limit yesterday should have been out of the race. Why set a time limit when you dont use it?
I hope for Rojas to win. He earns it now. (despite my PCM money which I set on Cav.) |
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| Trout80 |
Posted on 22-07-2011 08:56
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
The winner should be able to finish within the time limit, Rojas is the winner for me
Cavendish wasn´t only one to finish off the time limit. 20 points reduce is enough penalty in this case. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 22-07-2011 09:06
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Trout80 wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
The winner should be able to finish within the time limit, Rojas is the winner for me
Cavendish wasn´t only one to finish off the time limit. 20 points reduce is enough penalty in this case.
pff, -20 points is nothing, half of the points awarded for a stage win
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| Anonymer |
Posted on 22-07-2011 09:08
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20 points are basically nothing, Cav can be really happy about this decision, no he shouldn't have any problems winning the jersey, even if he doesn't win the last stage |
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| BuzzingFridge |
Posted on 22-07-2011 09:14
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I agree with what others have said. They should be docked far more than 20 points. They would normally be eliminated, therefore a penalty as damaging as elimination should be enforced. I'm was surprised to see Gilbert in that group, but not Cavendish. Hopefully, Rojas will win the Green jersey as he deserves it unlike the other sprinters. |
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| GoAmadorGo44 |
Posted on 23-07-2011 05:46
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Well yesterday it was more the fact that Cav had 87 other riders that finished with him outside of the time limit. Today Rojas finished outside of the limit too, so both of them should be out now according to some people, so it's more about the fact that they can't eliminate half of the riders from the race two days before Paris. It just wouldn't be much of a tour with more than half the field missing. They should probably be docked more points, but Rojas is not beating Cavendish in Paris, Cavendish has won the Green Jersey
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