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acceleration value dont work as an acceleration
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| sobrano |
Posted on 17-07-2011 21:45
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it is a my video: as every year(except pcm2006 where acc work well) i show you that acceleration is not a real acceleration (a=ds/dt) but it is a skill linked with redbar.
the acceleration in pcm is the cyclist's endurance for great efforts.
an high acceleration value make you save a bit the red bar
in this video any cyclist have any value set to 66 but half of them (acc=60) and the other half of them (acc=80)
random conditions and forms are disabled
video quality is not very good but set up full screen and you can enjoy very well this test...
https://www.youtub...PxdK8xs0-Y
Edited by sobrano on 18-07-2011 07:23
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| petz_e |
Posted on 17-07-2011 22:25
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Very interesting. So, in your oppinion, what stat is really responsible for sprint/attack acceleration? |
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| Iguwell |
Posted on 17-07-2011 22:34
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Fighter possibly? Just guessing though.
But thx sobrano. This is the sort of information that I really value. |
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 17-07-2011 22:44
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Can it be that there isn't such a thing as acceleration in PCM11? That all the riders have the same acceleration, but the only difference is regarding how long they can attack and/or top speed? |
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| Iguwell |
Posted on 17-07-2011 22:47
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If it is like this the Accelleration stat should be changed to controlling the ability of exploding from 0 to 50 km in no time.
And then fighter should take the role of making the red bar last longer. Is the only thing that makes sense. |
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 17-07-2011 22:52
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I'm inclined to believe that acceleration is the same for all riders, wether it be Rujano or Cavendish. I fear this mostly because this is Cyanide and they usually find some way to balls it up.
Unless there's a working acceleration stat then I think the red bar should be determined by the stamina stat, maybe alongside the fighter ability. |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 17-07-2011 22:52
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It makes sense somehow, all riders attack at the same speed but some riders are able to attack or sprint longer than others.
It is not the only stat with a missleading name, the figher stat for example does only raise the possibility to have a "green moment" (your riders) / to go into the break away (AI riders)
It would not be a problem if DB makers would know exactly what each stat does, but I doubt it.
Edited by Lachi on 17-07-2011 22:54
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| sobrano |
Posted on 17-07-2011 23:45
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petz_e wrote:
Very interesting. So, in your oppinion, what stat is really responsible for sprint/attack acceleration?
any raider have same acceleration |
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| sobrano |
Posted on 17-07-2011 23:49
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Iguwell wrote:
Fighter possibly? Just guessing though.
But thx sobrano. This is the sort of information that I really value.
in pcm2006 an high FTR value give you a good probability to get a green lighting, from pcm 2007 FTR value was disabled
seem that FTR value is active only for AI riders as probability to go out from the peloton with an attack (never tested it) |
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| sobrano |
Posted on 17-07-2011 23:51
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cactus-jack wrote:
Can it be that there isn't such a thing as acceleration in PCM11? That all the riders have the same acceleration, but the only difference is regarding how long they can attack and/or top speed?
yes because high acc value make you save a little portion of redbar
btw i tested it in the race and i didnt test it in a sprint
Edited by sobrano on 18-07-2011 00:01
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| sobrano |
Posted on 17-07-2011 23:55
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Iguwell wrote:
And then fighter should take the role of making the red bar last longer. Is the only thing that makes sense.
i think it is a very good idea we can only hope that cyanide implement it in pcm2012
p.s. i want to notice you that in pcm2006 acc was a real acceration, that value worked very very well
and FTR was active for human raiders too , to increase green lighting probability (good thing for attacks)
why cyanide disabled these behaviours? it is a dark question... |
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| sobrano |
Posted on 18-07-2011 00:00
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Lachi wrote:
the figher stat for example does only raise the possibility to have a "green moment" (your riders) .
it is not true from 2007 edition
i tested it every pcm edition and only pcm2006 had FTR active for human raiders...
i think cyanide at least should change the name of acceleration, because the definition of acceleration is (v/t) speed per time unit.
acc in pcm 2007-2011 dont respect this definition
Edited by sobrano on 18-07-2011 00:02
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 18-07-2011 00:16
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Seems you're testing it with the 'attack' button in mind. I've never really noticed riders attack with different 'acceleration' speed.
Have you had a look at how it affects the sprint button? Could be tested quite easily - one sprinter with 80/70 for sprint acceleration, one with 80/85, one with 80/50. Put them on the same speed and roll them up to a sprint point. |
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| sobrano |
Posted on 18-07-2011 07:22
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fenian_1234 wrote:
Seems you're testing it with the 'attack' button in mind. I've never really noticed riders attack with different 'acceleration' speed.
Have you had a look at how it affects the sprint button? Could be tested quite easily - one sprinter with 80/70 for sprint acceleration, one with 80/85, one with 80/50. Put them on the same speed and roll them up to a sprint point.
i tested it with attack button and with effort variaton (7 to 99)
i tested sprint with old pcm edition and i had same results.
you can try sprints this year too but i dont think it is an usefull test it, the acceleration is linked only with red bar and not with speed variation |
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| sobrano |
Posted on 18-07-2011 07:24
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fenian_1234 wrote:
I've never really noticed riders attack with different 'acceleration' speed.
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yes, you can see a difference in pcm2006
in pcm2007 acceleration is totally disabled
in pcm2008 to pcm2011 acceleration work as a endurance for red bar
Edited by sobrano on 18-07-2011 07:25
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| Anonymer |
Posted on 18-07-2011 07:28
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The effort doesn't effect sprints or attacks...
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| sobrano |
Posted on 18-07-2011 07:39
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Anonymer wrote:
The effort doesn't effect sprints or attacks...
it is true!
i tested acc wiht attack button
or effort variation 7 to 99 without click on attack button
(it is showed in the video) |
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| sobrano |
Posted on 18-07-2011 11:52
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i confirm the test again:
i tested acc with sprints too, riders with acc=80 saved a bit more redbar so them sprint was a bit longer than with acc=60
the change of speed was the same for any cyclist!
high acc allow you to keep high speed for a bit more of meters than low acc |
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| titleist82 |
Posted on 18-07-2011 12:13
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in this case the term accelaration is completely misleading, as the value doesn't refer to the ability to increase the speed over time.
it sounds more like "grit" rather than acceleration. |
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| sobrano |
Posted on 18-07-2011 12:42
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titleist82 wrote:
in this case the term accelaration is completely misleading, as the value doesn't refer to the ability to increase the speed over time.
it sounds more like "grit" rather than acceleration.
exactly |
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