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| FatBadger |
Posted on 02-07-2011 07:23
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Hi All
I haven't cycled for a number of years and have never been into watching cycling as a sport.
Given the above is the case, I would imagine many of you are thinking that buying "PCM 2011" was a rather odd choice and wondering why I did it. Funny thing...... so am I!! 
I'm not sure what it was. I fell accidentally on some footage of "PCM2011" on U-Tube and found my imagination captured. I looked for a review of the upcoming title (at this point it was about a week before release) and could find nothing. (At least in English.) I looked for any kind of discussion about the game...... zilch. I tried to find some video footage beyond the developers teaser.... nada.
All in all it seemed as though the whole thing was actually supposed to be something of a secret. A niche gem, to be discovered and played only by the worthy, the most inquisitive, or the most....erm.... cycley.
Still my imagination was fired up and not only that but I started thinking about my actual bike as well. A faithful old Claude Butler Mountain Bike, which has served me well over the years both in commuting duties and light exercise, but will now need a degree of servicing to be roadworthy again. I should really get that sorted out and get back out on it.
I even started wondering about possibly watching some TV footage of cycle racing and see if I could get anything out of it. Bizarrely enough I think coverage of this years "Tour De France" actually begins today on ITV 4! How odd is that?! Talk about synchronicity!
Anyway, I think I'm digressing to a degree from the matter at hand here. Which is to say that I went ahead and bought "PCM2011", (encouraged in no small part it has to be said, by the extremely attractive £14.99 price point on Amazon) which arrived yesterday and which at this point I am finding pretty impenetrable.
The very dry manual (Either the short version or the longer disk version) seemingly gives little away to anyone not already schooled in the discipline of the sport. Not even a basic tutorial to play through and set my wheels on the right track. It's all a little discouraging.
So I wondered if any of you experts here at "PCM Daily", might be able to recommend a really good tutorial for the absolute beginner. (Perhaps one or more of you have actually done one?) Ideally a video with voice over, but failing that a comprehensive text guide. Covering the basic tenants, concepts and hints/tips. (Large bold Badger friendly print optional... oh... and some pictures, we like pictures we forest folk.)
I have already discovered a handful of video "tutorials" on the net, but a/they're not voice over and b/they're fairly uninformative in terms of any complete novices who might have tuned in.
Many thanks for any help and advice you might be able to offer.
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| 10theri |
Posted on 02-07-2011 09:36
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Well, i don't know about any videos, but here is a "basic guide for newbies" in text 
https://www.pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthr...d_id=16325
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| FatBadger |
Posted on 02-07-2011 17:24
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Thankyou 10theri, I'll have a look at that.
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| 10theri |
Posted on 02-07-2011 17:31
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Always happy to help a fellow PCM'er 
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| ANFreeman |
Posted on 02-07-2011 17:45
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Welcome to the world of PCM, Badger
As for a tutorial on how to play it, there may be some out there (unfortunately I can't offer any links, or guides), but the best way to work out what you should be doing in the bigger picture, is to watch cycling, to get a feel for strategy.
When I first got the game I had next to no interest in road cycling, having come from a mountain biking background. I spent most of my time in the game attacking with rider after rider. It was only when I started to get into road cycling that I began to pick up on ideas of strategy.
People here could teach you it, but watching races is a far more exciting way (and arguably, easier) of doing it.
Best of luck with the game, and hopefully it encourages you to get out on your bike, and to enjoy Le Tour 
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| FatBadger |
Posted on 02-07-2011 18:21
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Right then... thanks again for this, I can see that it's going to be very useful. But only once I have already grasped the basic niceties of the game. This isn't really for "newbies", it's for newbies who just graduated from basic concept school, know the techniques involved, but lack the insight as to when and where to use them.
I, on the other hand, just graduated from a "this is a bike" class. These two round things are wheels and you can tell the steery end because it twists as well as turns. Hot Tip: If you can see nowhere to place your hands.. you are sitting backward.
ANFreeman wrote:
Welcome to the world of PCM, Badger
Thankyou ANFreeman
I did indeed pick up one or two things from watching the "Tour" this afternoon.
I didn't watch the whole thing (Also I didn't realize that there's a "highlights" at 7pm which I'll probably be sticking with from now on.) but I did recognize some folks were doing relays.
I can't see how they can ride in that huge pack! They're so close together you wonder how the ones in the middle are not lifted off the ground and carried along!
I really winced when that guy at the front fell off as he was indicating to warn other riders about "road furniture". he came down such a crack on his side and his head smacked the road. THAT'd be why the helmets then!
I was interested to notice that at roundabouts they go around both sides instead of all sticking to one side. I couldn't help but think that for a left turn, the ones who go around to the right, must be cycling further and losing position.
Also I noticed that the three riders who made a break right at the start and stayed in front for the whole time I was watching (which was until just after the main pack did the sprint in the middle) were all from different teams. I wondered where the rest of their teams were as presumably there was no support for them, no blocking or protecting. (these are terms I have heard or read rather than anything I worked out how to do in game yet.) I wonder how this early break translates into our actual game and whether I can have a man from my "Sky" team right out there at the front like that.
After posting earlier by the way, I popped along to our local bike shop and am taking my old friend "Claude" along for a bit of a service during the week. It'll be expensive I think. (He'll need new tires for a kick off) But the week after next I'll going to start going for morning bike rides again.
So you know what? Even if I never end up working out how to play this game, it will have been worth the £14.99 just to give me the kick up the behind I needed!
Of course it'll be really hard at first because of all the pie munching! The names not "Fat Badger" for nothing you know!
All the best
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| credite |
Posted on 03-07-2011 00:08
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Well forget about tutorials exept if there exist NEW ones for 2011 edition. I myself can't play it and i have played pcs's since cycling manager 1 back at 1999  |
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| 10theri |
Posted on 03-07-2011 00:30
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I think the tutorial will help him anyways...
The tutorial will give him a basic to build his knowledge on...
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| CountArach |
Posted on 03-07-2011 04:17
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FatBadger wrote:
Also I noticed that the three riders who made a break right at the start and stayed in front for the whole time I was watching (which was until just after the main pack did the sprint in the middle) were all from different teams. I wondered where the rest of their teams were as presumably there was no support for them, no blocking or protecting. (these are terms I have heard or read rather than anything I worked out how to do in game yet.) I wonder how this early break translates into our actual game and whether I can have a man from my "Sky" team right out there at the front like that.
Firstly, glad to hear that you have joined the world of PCM, there's a lot of knowledge on these boards so you've come to the right place for learning the game.
Just to clarify this for you - the rest of their teams were in the peleton riding for their team leaders. None of the three riders out front were leaders, but instead were out there for the camera air time and for the slim chance that they could make it to the end. The other 8 riders of the team were protecting their leaders or trying to set them up for the stage victory (As Europcar were trying to do with Thomas Voeckler, for example). I guess in game terms they would have had someone protecting' him and he would have been riding with a high 'effort' to keep near the front. Towards the end several of his teammates were relaying, also with a high effort.
As for translating this into the game, attacking with a rider early on is what you have to do, but it is far more constructive to wait for an attack from another team and then chose to follow his wheel. This will mean that you won't be riding alone, which increases the chance of it being a successful break. Also, try to attack with your lesser riders - if you attack with your leader or a favourite, then the peleton will raise the pace and drag you back in. Attacking can also be rewarding from a tactical point of view, not just for the chance of winning, but also because if you have a rider out front it means that ultimately you don't bear the responsibility for relaying to ensure that you drag them back in to the bunch - this means that your riders stay fresh for later days in the tour.
I hope that helps to clarify the tactics and how to translate that across. If you have any other questions, fire away!
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| DaBobScotts |
Posted on 03-07-2011 05:34
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I remember that there was a tutorial in the 2008, and even in earlier versions of PCM. Why did they (Cyanide) get rid of that function? And would it be possible to bring it back? Maybe as an added feature in a database (if possible) in PCM Daily's database? These really helped me understand how to play, then I just transferred that knowledge to later versions of PCM.
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| cunego59 |
Posted on 03-07-2011 10:48
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Another tip for you, FatBadger:
As there is not very often "real" cycling in tv, and as it also differs a little from PCM, it might help you as well to join online races, for example, and just watch the behaviour of the other players. You might get an impression of tactics there, too.
Also, it could be useful to read a little through some of the stories here on the board, as they often comment on the race events. I would for example recommend you Squire's PCM09 story about Discovery Channel, as he has a brief "tactics meeting" in front of every stage, where he describes his plans.
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| FatBadger |
Posted on 03-07-2011 17:35
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cunego59 wrote:Also, it could be useful to read a little through some of the stories here on the board, as they often comment on the race events. I would for example recommend you Squire's PCM09 story about Discovery Channel, as he has a brief "tactics meeting" in front of every stage, where he describes his plans.
That sounds like an excellent plan sir.
Thanks again for the replies all.
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| scooje |
Posted on 03-07-2011 18:51
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Im sort of working on a very very newbie friendly set of articles in a new blog I have set up. I decided to finally do this as I felt it was very difficult to get into some games if you didnt know where to begin and as such im attempting to collate what I have learnt in one area.
I DO NOT expect this to be a perfect guide as it is simply what I have picked up and learnt from a few years of playing the games I am explaining (although my first posts will indeed be about the new pcm). As I have only begun this today content at the moment is going to be a little light but as currently I'm not at university and am in fact off till October, the only things I will be doing are working on this playing pcm and watching le tour 
It may well feel very wall of texty but yeah as i say im working on it so any feedback is welcome
As I have said this will be very basic information and probably some will in fact be in the manual but as I haven't really read it I will be covering everything I feel to be important.
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| baia |
Posted on 03-07-2011 21:18
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Nice work there scooje...
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| scooje |
Posted on 03-07-2011 21:29
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thx buddy all pretty basic so far but will work on it more tomorrow I guess, time to play something else for now |
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| FatBadger |
Posted on 03-07-2011 21:43
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Top Man! Exactly the sort of thing I was talking about and already in your first three posts I have started to feel like I have more of a grip on the subject and am very much looking forward to more.
Well done scooje, well done indeed.
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