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Against the radio ban - Show it in your sig!
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| Bregnhoj |
Posted on 12-03-2011 15:16
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Hello PCMDaily!
I've made my own signature, quoting Bryneel from a twitter post. Here it is:
And heres a logo, you can put in your own signature, if you're also against UCI's stupid Radio ban.
Show your color! |
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| Ildabaoth |
Posted on 12-03-2011 15:27
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I'm not against the radio ban. But I thought radio was available during Paris-Nice.
Disclaimer: The above post reflects just the personal opinion of the author and not a fact. But if you read it, you must accept it as the ultimate truth.
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| Bregnhoj |
Posted on 12-03-2011 15:28
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Ildabaoth wrote:
I'm not against the radio ban. But I thought radio was available during Paris-Nice.
If you're not against it. Why even bother commenting?
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| Ildabaoth |
Posted on 12-03-2011 15:33
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Sorry. I didn't know you could only comment here if you were against the ban. My bad.
Disclaimer: The above post reflects just the personal opinion of the author and not a fact. But if you read it, you must accept it as the ultimate truth.
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| Bregnhoj |
Posted on 12-03-2011 15:36
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Ildabaoth wrote:
Sorry. I didn't know you could only comment here if you were against the ban. My bad.
You can comment if you're against. But you didn't comment on the radio ban, you commented on a petty detail, of wether it was allowed or not during Paris-Nice. And yes, for this year, it is allowed during all World Tour-races. But it dosen't take the fun out of the picture...
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| kumazan |
Posted on 12-03-2011 15:45
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May I ask why are you so strongly against radio ban? I have to say that I'm pro radio ban, but regardless of that, I guess that if you bother to open up a new thread about it, you should at least give some arguments? Oh, and two comments about this thread:
1- Shouldn't this be in the 'Cycling' forum?
2- Your avatar has my vote for the PCM.Daily awards. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 12-03-2011 17:06
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I'm against the radio ban, cyclists are so dumb nowadays, unable to study road books, too stupid to remember the places where they've already cycled during "recognition" camps, too stupid to know whether they should react or not.
Cycling is so much more enjoyable when it looks like a real PCM game played by D.S.
Let's all protest against the radio ban ! |
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| Conran |
Posted on 12-03-2011 19:26
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well, i have seen great rides with the radio an stuff, like Paris-Nice is great fun with De Gendt and Di Gregorio today
And i think it's better for the safety of the riders, you never know what can happen, also for flat tires and stuff
Also, there is a lot of money involved, so your teammates need to know what's going on and when their leader has fallen or a flat, help him and get informed..
I do like the idea of an open radio, just like Formule 1, so everybody can hear what's going on, that way, you still get informed, but tactics won't be talked too much over the radio 
And even if the UCI will get the radio ban trough, teams still ride by tactics and some will go for a sprint win and some for an attack and some for the GC and stuff
I don't really get all the fuss about it tbh |
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| Bregnhoj |
Posted on 12-03-2011 20:28
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It's simply because of security. It's to dangarous. I cycle myself, in the danish youth class, and of course we don't have radios, but i can only imagine how hard it is, to always be on watch for things on the road, when you like the pros are riding with 45 km/t, instead of 35 km/t.
And when 80-85% of the riders are against it, UCI should listen. After all, it is concerning the riders.
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| jph27 |
Posted on 12-03-2011 20:55
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Aquarius wrote:
I'm against the radio ban, cyclists are so dumb nowadays, unable to study road books, too stupid to remember the places where they've already cycled during "recognition" camps, too stupid to know whether they should react or not.
Cycling is so much more enjoyable when it looks like a real PCM game played by D.S.
Let's all protest against the radio ban !
While we're at it, lets legalise doping, so that everyone can cheat equally.  |
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| laidbackmarc |
Posted on 12-03-2011 20:58
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Sorry, but I most say that I like the radio ban. Cycling should be done whitout radios. You can controll the riders saftey with other things, for example gps-tracking |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 12-03-2011 21:46
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Bregnhoj wrote:
It's simply because of security. It's to dangarous. I cycle myself, in the danish youth class, and of course we don't have radios, but i can only imagine how hard it is, to always be on watch for things on the road, when you like the pros are riding with 45 km/t, instead of 35 km/t.
And when 80-85% of the riders are against it, UCI should listen. After all, it is concerning the riders. I'm glad I can now phone while driving. I feel more secured that way. Whenever I'm in doubt about some potential danger, I just ask the person I'm talking to to check it out. That helps me focusing on driving, doing two things instead of one.
And you're right, elites, who ride more or less as fast as pros, fall more often than you. There goes your argument.
Seriously now, security is just a bullshit argument. Riders didn't fall more often before ear speakers were introduced. Something in your ear fucks up your balance sense a little too, if you want to know.
The real argument is that races are so important and riders and DS feel so insecure, and they feel ear speakers helps them having everything under control (yeah, safety included, but ear speakers help remains to prove there).
In the end it's just reducing the part of chaos. Why not after all, but things become more predictable, and the bad aspect of things is what I described in a former message. Riders come up with arguments like "(despite the obvious interest to do so) I didn't attack because my DS hadn't told me to". That makes cycling plain ridiculous.
For your information, on classics (as in race from point A to point B, yeah A = B sometimes), you get cops or marshals with a whistle, plus other riders wave with the hand when there's an obstacle or something on the way. That's what you learn in cycling schools, before you start regular seasons of racing.
Edited by Aquarius on 12-03-2011 21:48
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| Crommy |
Posted on 13-03-2011 01:36
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The best solution (in terms of safety plus racing) would probably be a radio between organisers and riders. Allows organisers to inform riders of problems, and riders to inform organisers of problems.
Only problem comes with the language problem
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 13-03-2011 07:20
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They've got a road book. Danger at km X, Y, Z, etc. They're supposed to read it. They may also have recognised the route previously.
Then once on place, there's at least one cop or marshal with a flag and a whistle. And cyclists also indicate the danger to each other when spotted. Security is a wrong argument there. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-03-2011 08:00
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The problem here is misinformation.
The radio ban doesn't mean they have no radios. They have radios through which they listen to race radio, which tells them about dangerous corners, roundabouts, etc.
What is banned is the radio contact between riders and their team cars which:
A. Makes races very controlled and boring;
B. Makes races far more dangerous, as whenever they come up to a dangerous section of road, every DS immediately tells all his riders "Get to the front now";
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 13-03-2011 08:30
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There's a dangerous aspect though, with the radio ban. It's D.S. overtaking the peloton to reach their riders in a breakaway, or come near them. If you've ever been in such a car, it's quite impressive. You're wondering how they don't hit cyclists in the peloton.
But that's really the only security aspect I can possibly think of. |
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