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A couple of Qs regarding scouts..
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Posted on 28-02-2011 09:38
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Q: Whats the difference in the quality of scouts? (Regional-Legendary)
- Does this affect the amount of riders to be found by a certain scout over the season?
- Is there a difference in quality of riders found by this scout? (ALSO, is a "future star" found with a Regional, just as good as a "future star" found with a Legendary?)
- Does the quality of scout affect the accuracy in the stats that this scout uncover during monitoring? (Are these stats at all final? or do they vary from when I actually get the rider?)
Q: When do I get to sign the riders, what is "trainee", and when do I get the riders onto my team for racing?
Q: When is the first time I get to see the full stats of a scouted rider? (At signing? Before? When I get him?)
There has to be some kind of downside to just hirering a bunch of Regionals as I've previously done. How do you do?
Finally, what is a good scouted rider? Obviously the modest hint "future star", gives you a general idea, but what kind of numbers do I need to uncover before I should be celebrating?
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 28-02-2011 09:51
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As far as I understand the difference is in the speed they discover riders and the accuracy of their evaluations. I think the stats are never wrong though.
If you sign them as a trainee you get them at the beginning of August, otherwise they arrive at the end of the season.
After you have signed a scouted rider you can see their full stats
The downside to regionals is that you are never sure if you can trust their evaluations, so you think you have found a future great and in fact they have no potential at all.
As far as stats go, it varies by the database, and the age of the riders, and someone with excellent potential can start with awful stats, however anything above the mid 60's in the main stat is pretty promising.
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Posted on 28-02-2011 09:59
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"..in the speed they discover riders.." - Speed, how? Higher amount of riders per season? Speed of uncovering stats? Getting knowledge in a region?
"If you sign them as a trainee you get them at the beginning of August.." And am I able to race with them? If so, why would I ever "wait" to the end of the season?
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 28-02-2011 10:10
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crz wrote:
"..in the speed they discover riders.." - Speed, how? Higher amount of riders per season? Speed of uncovering stats? Getting knowledge in a region?
"If you sign them as a trainee you get them at the beginning of August.." And am I able to race with them? If so, why would I ever "wait" to the end of the season?
I appreciate it. Thanks.
All 3 for your first question, the reason to wait would be if you already have 30 riders, or if you can't afford the wages.
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| crz |
Posted on 28-02-2011 14:36
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Thanks a bunch mb2612!
I would love some examples of how people approach scouting, and also some examples of some of the best riders you've scouted. If someone knows a thread with scouted riders, please speak up  - I'm sure such a thread exists. |
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| MrDemus |
Posted on 28-02-2011 14:49
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Well, it depends on, who I manage. At the moment I am in charge of Cofidis. I have signed 4 scouts. 1 International, and 3 national. 2 of them is scouting France. The others are scouting my secondary countries.
When they find a talent, I try to follow thier results on the U23 tour, and pick them up if they seem any good |
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 28-02-2011 14:53
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I typically pick one future great scout, because then I get the true value of riders, and I sign everyone who he says is promising or a future great.
The best scouted rider I have ever had was a cobbled rider who had 74 cobble when I signed him, although theoretically they can hit 79.
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| Carlstrom |
Posted on 28-02-2011 17:30
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I've been quite lazy when it comes to scouting, but saw an awesome Portuguise talent already in my second season. Unfortunately he had already been signed by a minor Portuguese team for a couple of years. He aldready had 77 in mountain and 76 in TT, with the other important stats for a stage racer on the better end of 60's. Too bad I quit the save, would have been most interesting to see how good he could've turned out. |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 28-02-2011 18:16
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As far as I know the quality of a scout has nothing to do with accurancy.
The best scouts will present you a "future great" but in fact he has a potential of 3 (8 would be future great). So you cannot trust any scout it is only about the uncovering speed.
If you do not want to cheat (look up the real potential), you have to look at the scouted stats. It is absolutely useless to sign a 'future great' sprinter if he has 65 in SPR, even if he is only 18. But if you find a young rider with stats above 70, just get him. No matter what the scout said.
BTW: If you do not plan to play more then 3 seasons with the same career, you should not even consider scouting. |
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| baia |
Posted on 28-02-2011 19:04
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The most important and almost 100% feature to know if he´s really great future is to look in U-23 ranks,i´ll say look at it in june or july,there were already many races raced and you can see who´s in top10,normally the first 5 are(will) be great riders,you only have to scout their country and when they are scouted just sign him.Of course i send my scouts at the season start,normally i send them to the same country has scout is.If i play with Italian team,i try to have italian scouts and will look mostly for italian riders..Many times my scout says he´s a great future but his stats are almost all 55 or 59,those riders don´t have a chance in my team,no matter what scout says... |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 01-03-2011 16:07
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i've never seen any scouted rider with more then mid 60's for anything.
it's much more cost effective to simply let other teams sign the new talent and then sign them off them after a couple of season when they actually get good.
otherwise you just end up with a useless rider for a couple of seasons. |
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| maxpouls |
Posted on 01-03-2011 16:13
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Just follow the u23 ranking. If someone wins a lot there. send scout to his country and scout him. I got a really good sprinter that way 76 sp and 70acc. He became 82 sp after 3 years. |
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| Ildabaoth |
Posted on 01-03-2011 21:57
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I tend to agree with Lachi and Maxpouls. It is better to take account of the U23 results. Last season I hired 3 legendary scouts and made the mistake of hire 3, according to them, future stars. Fortunately, I also hired the best rated U23, a swedish sprinter. 2 of the future stars turned out to be not so good. One was a northern classic specialist and it seems he won't be over COB 75. Other was a stage racer, probably maximum MO 76, TT 74, REC 75. The other one is a TT specialist, the only one who will be good, probably TT 80-81. On the other hand, the sprinter has SP 73, only 21 years old, and 6 or 7 stars remaining, I don't remember. I don't know the exact potential because I prefer to wait and see instead of ruining the fun right away. So yes, it is probably better to check the U23 races and, more important, not make the same mistake I did: do not trust those legendary scouts. They are good to obtain the stats quicker, so by july you can have an adequate picture in order to know who to hire. I used to think it could work if you hired future stars even if their stats weren't so good at the beginning, hoping that they would develop greatly later on. However, it seems not to be the case. Yes, they do rise, but not enough to be the best. At least that is what has happened in my case.
Fun note: The sprinter turned out to be somehow duplicated by PCM, so now both my team and Sky have the guy. It seems my training is better, because by july my sprinter has slightly higher stats than his Sky twin.
Disclaimer: The above post reflects just the personal opinion of the author and not a fact. But if you read it, you must accept it as the ultimate truth.
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Posted on 02-03-2011 07:10
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Duplication happened in my career aswell, I just renamed the other guy. |
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Posted on 02-03-2011 07:39
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The scouters' advices aren't reliable on the first year they do the scouting. I have the best scouters and sometimes they say X will be a "future champion" and in the end X is far from that. But if this X is under 22 years old, you can wait another year and see if the scouter changes his mind.
Of course it helps to look at what they do in under 23 championships, but sometimes you get a rider who is currently good (67) but his progression is a dissaster and he ends up with avrg 71. That hapened to me with the sprinter-champion in under 23. He reached 73spr 71acc and he was 69spr 65acc when I signed him.
My advice is to wait if you can.
When I need one and I'm not sure, I pick the one with the best values but making sure that the stamina is real high. |
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| MacC |
Posted on 20-04-2011 23:18
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So at what age should i sign a scouted rider ? None of the other teams seem to have anybody under 21 |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 21-04-2011 00:44
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The age does not matter. If you find a good rider, sign him. |
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| Christer |
Posted on 21-04-2011 01:07
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I just sign riders with promising or future great as potential. I never look at U23 ratings. I have found loads of 75+ riders this way. Ofcourse, the scout might be wrong, but most of the time, I get a usefull rider to the team.
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| MacC |
Posted on 21-04-2011 09:45
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another question(s)
How does the scout's attributes affect their scouting? Is a scout with a higher skill in Time Trials more likley to find a time trialer or just be more accurate when he does?
Secondly, does the area affect the type of rider that is scouted? And if it does, how can I find out where is a good place to find a sprinter , a climber etc.? |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 21-04-2011 10:10
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I have no clue what the skills of the scout are for, because even the best scouts are inaccurate.
If you click on an area it tells you what types of riders are most likely to be found there. I guess that answers your second question as well. |
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