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How to beat Basso and Ullrich.
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| Phanekim |
Posted on 10-03-2007 05:56
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I can't seem to beat them with landis or leipheimer. Those guys just seem to be superhuman. I have my team protecting me and saving my green bars and blue bars up at the front. When ullrich or basso attacks, I counter them. I stay on their wheel. But they attack again and again until they break away fro m me.
I dont know how to beat them...advice? |
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| Heitmann |
Posted on 10-03-2007 09:35
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Phanekim wrote:
I can't seem to beat them with landis or leipheimer. Those guys just seem to be superhuman. I have my team protecting me and saving my green bars and blue bars up at the front. When ullrich or basso attacks, I counter them. I stay on their wheel. But they attack again and again until they break away fro m me.
I dont know how to beat them...advice?
Play on Easy .. Lol 
Landis and Leipheimer aren't as good as Basso and Ullrich
So they got more in the Mountain stat ..
Or more in recovery or something ..
Tottenham
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| Nicholas |
Posted on 10-03-2007 12:51
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If you are in the Tour, i agree. They are a little hard to beat there, but absolutely not impossible. Just make sure your captain god top shape (95-100 pts) and got a good morale. It is also good to have good climber as protect rider (also very good shapeand morale) wich can set a high pace to drive in breaks by the lesser good climbers (Rasmussen, DiLuca, Mayo etc.) |
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| Phanekim |
Posted on 10-03-2007 17:24
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Yes is not on season/manager mode. THis is just regular pick the stage race mode...no training or anything.
On my third time trying it on the TDF, i got landis, leipheimer 2nd and 3rd but would constantly lose time to Jan in the mountains. Its like he was doping or somehitng. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 12-03-2007 13:08
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In real life, Landis would probably not have been able to follow Basso either. Therefore, if you need to beat them you will have to use some sort of genius tactic  It could be to make one of your riders attack, then let Landis attack later on and then make the rider in front go back and help Landis.
Point is that you need to be creative. You can't just counter riders who are better than you. It's simply not enough. |
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| Rolf_the_Golf |
Posted on 12-03-2007 19:08
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Thats right, if you only counter-attack the riders, and you arent the best, then you wont win, this tactic only leads to a 3d, or 4th place, or even worse. If you want to win with a rider ho isnt the biggest favorite, you gotta be agressive, you can be this in several ways.
If your captain got 75-78 in climbing, you might wanna try with a long range attack, far from the finish line, this might get you ending up better than some with better stats than you.
2. if your captain´s climbing stats is 78-82 you should try to attack early on the mountain, this way you might take a solo victory, or alteast you can try to hold on to the chasing grp when they catch up, generaly, if you keep a lead untill 2-3km from the top, you will be able to keep up with them to the finish.
But if the last climb isnt that long, you might wanna attack on the 2nd last climb, this could be the tactic if your captain is good on the decends, otherwise you could try to soften the big guys, or their team mates, maybe by protecting your captain, but at the same time keeping up the pace |
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| Djoe |
Posted on 14-03-2007 14:17
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All true, but still I find it a little bit stupid that the "big shots" NEVER give in. They want to win the TdF, ok. But is it necessary for them to win every bloody mountain stage there is ? That's a bit unrealistic isn't it ?
Example yesterday where I attacked with Garaté in a mountain stage in TdF. I was already 20 mins behind in the overall, still they overwhelmed me in the last climb. In real life, the big guys wouldn't have bothered, they would ride a tactical race to beat their opponents, not that poor little bugger that tries to win 1 stage.
This really spoils it for me ... |
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| Panaflex |
Posted on 14-03-2007 15:25
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Yet, they win most mountain stages, not all indeed.
Last year's Tour was more tactical than usual since there wasn't a real superstar.
But if you look at the years before and f.e. Basso's '06 Giro-Show...
Pain is temporary. Quitting lasts forever.Lance
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| Rolf_the_Golf |
Posted on 15-03-2007 07:07
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Normally if my captain is, lets say Leipheimer(2006db) then i usually takes home 1-2 mountain stages with him, if i am lucky a ITT stage, and maybe i win with a rider in a brake-away or in a mass-sprint, so i usually takes home 1-5 stages wins nad a top 5 in th gc with Gerolsteiner(2006DB) |
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| Djoe |
Posted on 15-03-2007 09:24
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Well, I'm not saying it's impossible that one guy is too good for the pack. But it would add to the gamefun if it weren't so ... um ... preset. I mean, in the end you just don't bother attacking and stay with the peloton, hoping that you can hang on as long as possible. Because, when an Ullrich, Basso or so attacks in the mountains, there is no use in trying to follow them.
Maybe I should inject some doped blood into my pc
Edited by Djoe on 15-03-2007 09:26
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| Phanekim |
Posted on 17-03-2007 02:09
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Its not fair how they win everything. Its like they are doped up or something. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 17-03-2007 11:40
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In fact, they are Their stats are after all based on their results in real life, and since it seems like they were doped in real life they are also "doped" in PCM.l |
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| cmfos |
Posted on 20-03-2007 16:00
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Djoe wrote:
Well, I'm not saying it's impossible that one guy is too good for the pack. But it would add to the gamefun if it weren't so ... um ... preset. I mean, in the end you just don't bother attacking and stay with the peloton, hoping that you can hang on as long as possible. Because, when an Ullrich, Basso or so attacks in the mountains, there is no use in trying to follow them.
Maybe I should inject some doped blood into my pc
I'd have to agree that it's a pain that the big guys win every stage in the mountains. This is quite problematic for my sprint team, Milram. The sponsors want me to win the sprinters jersey for the Giro. It's virtually impossible since Cunego or Basso are going to take millions of sprint points in the mountains. Even if I win every flat stage, I'll never get the sprinters jersey from those mountain goats. I barely won the Green Jersey in the TdF because Valverde won every mountain stage there was. So I do wish they would tweak this a bit because I do find it unrealistic, despite what Basso did last year in the Giro.
As far as tactics to cope with the super climbers, I'll share one developed by a friend of mine. What he does in the Giro is get his domestiques to relay like crazy up the last mountain. This stretches out the peloton considerably. When Cunego attacks, he'll have a much longer distance to travel before he gets ahead of the elongated Peloton. At that point, you can counterattack with your GC man and hopefully stay with Cunego up the last hill. I haven't tried this tactic but my friend has been able to win the Giro (albeit with Ulrich). It's something to consider if I ever climb mountains again. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 20-03-2007 20:56
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cmfos: Thanks! I'll try using that tactic in my Giro. It's too late to win it now since I'm about 6 minutes behind Cunego, but I'm aiming for 2nd-place now - and seriously, I'm in deep trouble as it is now. |
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| Rolf_the_Golf |
Posted on 20-03-2007 21:00
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who´s your captain CrueTrue?
With Simoni i pulled of 6min on Cunego, 7-De Luca and 9 on Savoldelli on the last 2 mountain stages (ended up as 2. in the gc, Cunego was still 39secs ahead  ) |
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| Phanekim |
Posted on 05-04-2007 01:50
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Rolf_the_Golf wrote:
who´s your captain CrueTrue?
With Simoni i pulled of 6min on Cunego, 7-De Luca and 9 on Savoldelli on the last 2 mountain stages (ended up as 2. in the gc, Cunego was still 39secs ahead )
Was this done in the Giro? The last few stages of the giro always seem to allow you to do that. |
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| 0buKKaKe |
Posted on 05-04-2007 02:06
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As far as tactics to cope with the super climbers, I'll share one developed by a friend of mine. What he does in the Giro is get his domestiques to relay like crazy up the last mountain. This stretches out the peloton considerably. When Cunego attacks, he'll have a much longer distance to travel before he gets ahead of the elongated Peloton. At that point, you can counterattack with your GC man and hopefully stay with Cunego up the last hill. I haven't tried this tactic but my friend has been able to win the Giro (albeit with Ulrich). It's something to consider if I ever climb mountains again.
i know this takteek, using it long time and it really works ... i won many mt stgs like that |
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