Even though my rider has 79 in TT and prologue stats around 81 I get beaten by guys who have only around 74-75. I've tried just letting him ride in the automatic setting and reducing his effort to around 61-62 so that the green and yellow bar follow each other perfectly, at least almost. But whatever I do, I can't seem to win, not even get a decent result. I usually end up losing by 30 seconds +/-.
At the moment I'm riding in the Tour de Murcia or something (5 stage race in early February). I'm in 3rd place, only 6 seconds behind, with the TT and a pretty flat stage left. Because of the games unability to create gaps, there are 48 riders who are less then 30 seconds behind. Since I can't count on winning the final sprint in the last stage (my leader is a decent sprinter, but I don't need to tell you about the outcomes in the sprints) I have to either win or get a top-3 finish in the TT to have a chance of winning the race.
So bassicly, are there any good tactics for TT's?
PS: I know it's cheating to play a stage over and over untill you win, but PCM has kinda forced me to do it, sadly.
PPS: I dont think that form has to much to say, the other riders have raced about 3-4 days before this.
Okey, what the hell! My riders TT-stats are 79 in TT and 81 in prologue, still he is getting humiliated by Brajkovic (dont know how to spell it). The stage is 22km with a "checkpoint" at 10 km. There is a tiny incline up to the checkpoint, the gradient is never above 1%. It goes down with about -1% from 10km - ca. 16km. I've tried seveal ways:
1. I just let him ride on "automatic" (effort at 65) the entire stage. He came in 1:36 behind
2. I let him go on 70 the entire stage. At 10km he was 22 seconds ahead of Brajkovic, but he ran out of energy with ca. 2 km to go. He ended up 28 seconds behind Brajkovic
3.I let him start with 67 up untill 10km. At this point he and Brajkovic clock in on the same time. When he starts the miniscule decent I raise him to 69-70. His green bar was a little bit bigger then the yellow one, but it evened out perfectly. In the end he came in 28 seconds behind again...
It seems to me that the AI-controlled riders always have an amazing finish? The biggest difference between my rider and Brajkovic is that he only hs about 70 in flat, where my guy has 78. The fitness shouldn't be a problem either; Brajkovic has 4 days behind him, whilst my rider has 10.
If anyone has some form of advice that would be great. The reason that I refuse to lose this race is due to the inhability to create gaps in the mountains.
maybe the computer riders are in better form than you riders, also i notice computer riders wearing leaders jersey seem to find something extra in time trails.
Also i think the computer is good at adjusting effort for uphill and more importantly imo downhill.
cactus-jack wrote:
It seems to me that the AI-controlled riders always have an amazing finish? The biggest difference between my rider and Brajkovic is that he only hs about 70 in flat, where my guy has 78. The fitness shouldn't be a problem either; Brajkovic has 4 days behind him, whilst my rider has 10.
Race days aren't the only thing that matter in fitness. Brajkovic could be very high in training fitness, and have an overall in the mid 80s. Conversely, having 10 races days doesn't mean much if your training fitness is low.
If you really want to see Brajkovic's total fitness compared to your rider, check in dyn_cyclist in an editor to see.
My rider has about 71-72 in fitness at the moment. I understand what you mean, but I just think that if this is the case then the fitness has a bit to much to say.
Also keep in mind that I'm being beaten by riders who do not have stats above 71. Even though fitness is important, no way is it that important
In my game Menchov (81TT) beat Cancellara (85Flat, 85TT) by 1.44 at Final TT of Tour De France, only because Menchov has great fitness. Cancellara was only 5th behind Menchov, Evans, Contador and Leiphemer. Tony Martin (79Flat, 84TT) finished 12. I think it's so unrealistic.Edited by Starch27 on 21-08-2010 13:39
Starch27 wrote:
In my game Menchov (81TT) beat Cancellara (85Flat, 85TT) by 1.44 at Final TT of Tour De France, only because Menchov has great fitness. Cancellara was only 5th behind Menchov, Evans, Contador and Leiphemer. Tony Martin (79Flat, 84TT) finished 12. I think it's so unrealistic.
If that happens, the influence of fitness is way too big.
The fitness should make quite a difference. It's not like the best TT'ers get great results all throughout the season (see Wiggins in this years tour). If Cancellara is on form, he'll beat anybody, but when not, worse TT'ers will beat him (Martin in Suisse, Contador in the tour last year etc.). There are numorous instances like these every year.
Saying fitness has too much influence is nonsense
Edit: Other attributes have a say as well. Resistance is important for TT's, as well as Flat, Mountain, Hill, Downhill depending on the terrain. And if you're playing on hard/extreme, the AI will get bonuses, so they'll actually have better skills (or you'll have worse, can't remember) than it appears
Edited by Roo on 21-08-2010 15:04
Roo wrote:
If Cancellara is on form, he'll beat anybody, but when not, worse TT'ers will beat him (Martin in Suisse, Contador in the tour last year etc.).
Cancellara beat Martin in Suisse in another TT stage, he loses 27 kms long hilly TT with 17 seconds gap, because he started after rain and Martin started when weather was fine and road was clean. In Tour 2009 Contador win 41kms TT with 2nd category climb (6% overall). Cancellara was behind only 3seconds gap. If he started Giro he also loses Kronplatz TT. From the start of 2008 season Cancellara loses only 2 long hilly TT and never lose on flat.
Edited by Starch27 on 21-08-2010 17:07
Roo wrote:
If Cancellara is on form, he'll beat anybody, but when not, worse TT'ers will beat him (Martin in Suisse, Contador in the tour last year etc.).
Cancellara beat Martin in Suisse in another TT stage, he loses 27 kms long hilly TT with 17 seconds gap, because he started after rain and Martin started when weather was fine and road was clean. In Tour 2009 Contador win 41kms TT with 2nd category climb (6% overall). Cancellara was behind only 3seconds gap. If he started Giro he also loses Kronplatz TT. From the start of 2008 season Cancellara loses only 2 long hilly TT and never lose on flat.
But those are examples where Cancellara was cloe to top form anyway, so even a small dip in form, will make him lose out on a couple of guys.
Edit: When on worse, but still not exactly crap form, he'll get beaten by more riders:
11th in Romandie prologue 2009
5th in California TT 2008
9th in Catalunya Prologue 2008
5th in Tour de France TT 2008
All in races where he'll have built up some form to not totally suck, but still not good enough to beat guys, he'd eat for breakfast when on form. Tbh, he's a rare specimen, but with most other riders there'll be TT's in every year, where they'll be anonymous if not on form (eg. Wiggins this Tour)
I'm still interested in what difficulty the guys playing on, because whereas your tactics can make up for AI bonuses on regular stages, it's very hard to use tactics to beat the AI in TT's
Edited by Roo on 21-08-2010 17:23
on tt stage if you want to win it's important to have 78 minimum
you have 79 tt,it's good
i recorded first with fraps,to big my video 7 min over 4 gb
i play everytime on normal with equal fitness,same variables for riders
i had morenheunt(76 tt),boom,posthuma,van emden(they have 75 at tt),brown(55 tt) and konzontuk(63 tt)
when the stage it's loading,you have the first 10-12 favorites,first 5-6 have chances to win.boom was the 4 th and van emden 8 or 9
first 3 were larsson,porte and l.l.sanchez
results:larson,boom+5,sanchez+7,morenhount+16,van emden+20(i remained without engery and stamina in the last km)
then i uncheck the fullscreen in game and start to record with i screen recorder
same option,same 6 riders but this time first 3 with chances to win where contador(82 tt),vinokourov(modified by me 79 tt) and larsson(80 tt),then porte(76 tt),van emden(75 tt) and boom(75 tt)
result contador,larson+23,vino+26,van emden+31,porte+34
real time without the bonification seconds
not bad results
for the first 4-5 km i let on that automatic,then i move the effort bar beetween 64-68 to energy bar should almost equal to stamina bar,on the last 4 km to intermediar point i move the effort bar at 65-66,on the downhill to 70-71,on the last 8-9 km to 66(64-68),depends how remain with the energy,stamina bars
i didn' note the time for first rider,so i played again but now with the 6 best rabobank riders at tt
menchov(80 tt),boom,morenhunt,van emden,posthuma and clement
the favorites were l.l. sanchez,larson and menchov
time 39'34" sanchez,menchov+1,larson+7....
i don't know if it's a good time,because i loose
i repeat equal fitness 89 and same variables for riders
variables=some riders like/dislike rain,some like/dislike a tour/race...
jack play again and tell me the time for the rider who win,i want to know if i'm bad at tt or i'm verry verry bad at tt
this itt stage is good for a rider who has good stats at tt,hill,downhill and flat,maybe that's why l.l. sanchez beat menchov(weak at downhill and flat)
Edited by superider2010 on 21-08-2010 18:18
Roo wrote:
If Cancellara is on form, he'll beat anybody, but when not, worse TT'ers will beat him (Martin in Suisse, Contador in the tour last year etc.).
Cancellara beat Martin in Suisse in another TT stage, he loses 27 kms long hilly TT with 17 seconds gap, because he started after rain and Martin started when weather was fine and road was clean. In Tour 2009 Contador win 41kms TT with 2nd category climb (6% overall). Cancellara was behind only 3seconds gap. If he started Giro he also loses Kronplatz TT. From the start of 2008 season Cancellara loses only 2 long hilly TT and never lose on flat.
But those are examples where Cancellara was cloe to top form anyway, so even a small dip in form, will make him lose out on a couple of guys.
Edit: When on worse, but still not exactly crap form, he'll get beaten by more riders:
11th in Romandie prologue 2009
5th in California TT 2008
9th in Catalunya Prologue 2008
5th in Tour de France TT 2008
All in races where he'll have built up some form to not totally suck, but still not good enough to beat guys, he'd eat for breakfast when on form. Tbh, he's a rare specimen, but with most other riders there'll be TT's in every year, where they'll be anonymous if not on form (eg. Wiggins this Tour)
I'm still interested in what difficulty the guys playing on, because whereas your tactics can make up for AI bonuses on regular stages, it's very hard to use tactics to beat the AI in TT's
I played on hard, but Cancellara and Menchov was AI riders. Today I played all TT's in the game on "stage mode"(training before Cyanide fixed bugs). Cancellara was unbeatable with fixed 89 fitness. He loses only at Kronplatz, but it was predictable. But with random fitness (I tried to make <85) he lost many long and hilly TT to Contador, Leiphemer, Martin, Brajkovic and Larsson.
). Cancellara was unbeatable with fixed 89 fitness. He loses only at Kronplatz, but it was predictable. But with random fitness (I tried to make <85) he lost many long and hilly TT to Contador, Leiphemer, Martin, Brajkovic and Larsson.
