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Testing stages to see results
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| Goldberger |
Posted on 17-06-2010 21:34
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Is anybody interested in playing a few mountain stages in Giro or Tour to see how the A1 is, and then reporting about it here afterwards?
To see if results and timegaps is realistic, and how often breaks makes it to the finish etc. Also could be cool to see reports from the big classics. |
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| Setzel |
Posted on 17-06-2010 22:13
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I played a whole giro on 3d and a whole vuelta in detailed simulation as i said the ai is improved and you can actually go in a break and win it after a hard stage or after the TTT in giro when the pack is more relaxed and the riders have a lot of minutes to recuperate
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| marble |
Posted on 18-06-2010 00:19
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I just did a 3D runthrough of the Gavia stage in the Giro. I was Footon Servetto watching the race unfold. I didn't do anything at all.
What happened was that in the beginning of the stage out of nowhere it started raining. This resulted in my rider Aitor Perez crashing.
The first breakaway launched when the road started to flat out. 3 riders attacked and soon got a gap. The first mountain the leading trio entered with a gap of 2 minutes, two more riders attacked and joined the group and they slowly increased the time gap. Robert Hunter was the first person to get dropped 6 kilometers from the top of the first climb. Then it started snowing. Spilak and Uran attacked and quickly got a few minutes on the pack.
At the top of the first climb Matt Lloyd (realistic eh) was first and got all the mountain points. They were 8 minutes ahead of the pack with alot of riders in between. Up the next two climbs another rider was dropped from the breakaway and Spilak joined the breakaway.
On top of the 3rd climb of the day the situation was:
Spilak
Lloyd
Clement
Blazquez
Nocentini +2'10
Uran
Kessiakoff
Zen +2'40
Hunter +4'30
Peloton +5'40 (148 riders)
75 km to go.
During the downhill the four riders in front increased their lead over the followers. Turpin was the second rider of the day to fall as it randomly started to rain once again. Then there was "a massive fall" according to the narrator with 3 riders involved. The 4 in front have a gap of 4 minutes when the last climb started 43 km from the finish line. The pack sets the pace high and riders keep dropping. In just a matter of a few kilometers the pack has been reduced from 120 riders to 79.
There's alot of snow on top of Gavia and the situation is
Spilak
Lloyd +1'32
Favorites Group +2'25 (26 riders)
After them there are alot of small groups of around 10-20 riders with a couple of riders in between now and then.
Morabito and Marzano is dropped in the downhill.
In the beginning of the last climb with 10 kilometers to go the situation is
Spilak
Lloyd +2'00
Peloton +2'20 (24 riders)
Lloyd is caught with 7 kilometers to go and then alot of outsiders attack (Pinotti, Gerdeman etc.) They don't get a gap at all and the group is reduced to 20 riders. Spilak only a minute in front with 5 kilometers to go.
The group keeps on falling apart. With 1.9km to go the situation is
Spilak
Favorites +9 (11 riders)
Spilak is caught with 1.2 kilometers left and barely doesn't get to start the sprint in front. Basso and Evans are in front when the sprint starts and Basso also wins the stage infront of Evans. A group of 12 riders are together when the sprint starts but there are time gaps from the sprint. Klier is the only rider to abandon.
Results:
Basso
Evans
F.Schlëck +12
A.Schlëck +20
Menchov
Scarponi
Cunego
Wiggins +28
Pinotti
Efimkin +36
Spilak
Gerdeman
Hope this wasn't too detailed for you. I didn't have time to shorten it. |
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| Goldberger |
Posted on 18-06-2010 00:26
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Great post, seems pretty good to me with Spilak almost holding on to the win, also Lloyd winning the mountain points
Feel free to do more, maybe a stage from tour de france. |
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| siwi |
Posted on 18-06-2010 00:30
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Nice work marble.. Sounds like a pretty realistic stage. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 18-06-2010 09:45
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Also notice the small time gaps. In PCM09, you would usually see that some of the top riders lost several minutes on each mountain stage. In PCM10, that's more unlikely. |
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| marble |
Posted on 18-06-2010 10:11
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I decided to try out the 9th stage of Tour de France. Which is a pretty flat stage untill the end when there are 3 climbs, including a mountaintop finish. This time I'm Francaise des Jeux, once again just watching the race unfold. I'm writing this as I'm running the race.
In the beginning downhill part 15 riders tried to form a breakaway. They were soon reeled in and another couple of riders attacked. A breakaway of 6 riders were formed including Minard, Devenyns, Ciolek, Rojas, Nydam and Lefevre. They slowly increaesed their lead with about a minute per 10 kilometers. But when they got closer to the first mountain the pack started catching up. At the beginning of the first kilometer of a total of 34 kilometers with climbing, they had a lead of 3'30. Ciolek was soon dropped and the peloton started dropping riders. Nydam and Rojas dropped back to the peloton when the breakaway's lead was only 40 seconds. Lefevre and Devenyns tried to survive to get some mountain points but Astana reeled them in.
Tiralongo rolls over the first mountain top and gets the mountain points.
Situation:
Peloton (90 riders) All together.
As soon as the downhill starts a group of 49 loses some time and is suddenly 30 seconds behind.
The group of 49 dropped 9 riders in the downhill trying to catch up. They included several of my teams riders who obviously weren't dropped because they were tired.
At the beginning of the second climb of the day the 41 man group leads by 35 seconds on another 40 riders. The pace is high and the 40 riders keep losing time. Then Contador and Sastre attacks. They quickly get a gap and at the top of the second climb they nearly have a minute on the 39 other riders.
They are caught in the downhill though just before the start of the final climb of the day.
Nearly halfway to the top the front group is still big and include 38 riders now, dropping just a few riders that survived from the early breakaway. 7 kilometers to go, we should surely see some change in the end.
5 kilometers to go Sammy Sanchez attacks and Basso follows. Wiggins sets the pace and gets a little gap to the rest but he's soon caught. Sanchez and Basso build up a lead of about 30 seconds when they're finally done with their attack. Contador and Evans also attack and catches up pretty fast. Menchov is in between and another group of 4 with Rogers, Van den Broeck, Armstrong and Schlëck are also in between the leaders and the peloton. Wiggins also decides to attack and soon all the attackers are together in one group. Except for Contador who managed to get a couple of seconds on the others.
Contador is caught though with 1.5 kilometers to go, Menchov and Van den Broeck counters and are the first two to enter the final kilometer and starting the sprint. Van den Broeck couldn't keep his lead and is caught by Contador. Menchov has a gap of 15 seconds so he doesn't sprint, but Contador soon catches up to him and almost passes him before he starts sprinting. Menchov manages to hold on though with a couple of centimeters.
Results:
Menchov
Contador
Van den Broeck +8
Armstrong
A.Schlëck
S.Sánchez
Evans
Basso
Wiggins +59
Klöden
Sastre +1'07
Rogers
Leipheimer +1'23
Kreuziger
Arroyo +1'31
Gesink
Nibali
J.RodrÃguez +1'39
D.Martin
Kirchen
Vinokourov
Tiralongo
Karpets
and alot of riders follow with small time gaps in groups of 4-10 riders. 118th place is 8'59 behind, and that's when the bigger gaps start. 119th is 14'19 behind and the final group consists of 50 riders and finishes 28 minutes behind the winner. (with only a few seconds between each other caused by some minor gaps at the finish line I believe).
I could do stage 10 too if anyone wants to see how a stage that doesn't end at a mountaintop unfolds. Or a few classics like RvV, P-R or LBL. |
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| purepasd |
Posted on 18-06-2010 11:07
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It would be nice with a sprint  And it looks pretty realistic to me. Its nice that you write it |
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| Caner26 |
Posted on 18-06-2010 11:14
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I ran Tour de France Ax 3 Domaines
Favorites Cotador, Schleck, Basso
I am Rabobank.
Start 7 riders try to ecape. (gutierrez)
150 km 9 riders try to ecape from peleton ( Pajol)
140 km 15 riders are in the lead, 1' Peleton
135 km Peleton regroups.
128 km 10 riders attack (Pajol & Vaugrenard)
Cais & Astana leads peloton to rest.
70 km Max lead goup 4'50 -> Saxso take lead peleton
50 km Mollema starts to protect Menchov. Menchov on dot 50%
41 km Start climb Vinokurov determains speed peleton
30 km (2.2 from top) Vinokurov catches leaders. Group lead now 37 riders.
Menchov on dot 85% to keep up. Mollema gone.
Top - 1. Sastre 2. Schleck 3. Contador
8 km Bottom: Group lead 21 riders Gesink protecting Menchov
5.7 km Attack Sastre,Evens,Gadret,Schleck Mechov on dot 99%
4.0 Regroup 20 riders
1.9 Km Attack Armstrong, Basso counter rest do nothing.
Basso wins 9 seconds before Armstrong. Group (15 riders) get same time as Armstrong. Mechov 5th
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| Timmeh |
Posted on 18-06-2010 11:29
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I just played the Gavia stage in the Giro.
My team was Liquigas, I played on extreme and i tried to be as active as possible in the race.
On the first climb, a group of 9 riders attacked, i followed with Sagan. The group consisted of following riders:
Arroyo
Sagan
Moncoutie
Dupont
Beppu
Lloyd
Ignatiev
Reda
Boasson-Hagen
They soon had an advantage of 5 min on the peloton.
At the foot of the Gavia, the front group had about 12 minutes, with 60km to go. I let kreuziger do all the work in the peloton, and with 10 km left to climb the leading group still had 6 min.
That's when i attacked with Sagan in the front group, Arroyo and Boasson-Hagen followed. The front group split up in groups of 2-3 riders.
While in the peloton, the group counted only 35 riders. The ones who couldnt keep up climbed together in groups of about 20 riders with sometimes a solo rider.
On the top of the gavia, the 3 leaders had 3 min on the peloton, they were the only survivors of the early breakaway. The peloton now only had 15 riders (basso, nibali, schlecks, contador...).
I decided to attack in the descent with nibali, and i managed to get to the breakaway at the foot of the passe del tonale.
Nibali soon left them and won the race.
Only contador and basso were able to stay in front of the group of favorites.
In the end this were the differences:
Nibali
Basso, Contador(+1.15)
Sagan, Arroyo (+1.24)
Group of Favorites (10 riders) (+2.06)
Some solo riders (+2.30-4.06)
first big group (+4.30)
Last big group (+26.29)
Last rider (+42.36) this dude (Ongarato) fell three times in the descent of the gavia ;D |
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| roturn |
Posted on 18-06-2010 11:35
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Criterium Dauphinee Alpe d`Huez
Smaller timegaps. Sastre, A.Schleck, Contador and Evans +0
Rogers, Fuglsang and all the other good climber +1...5min
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+36,40min Last counted rider (quite similar to real stage)
35 riders with about 45min out of time limit. A bit too much in my opinion. This was the big grupetto, so normaly they shouldn`t be a bit faster.
Edited by roturn on 18-06-2010 11:36
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| Yalle |
Posted on 18-06-2010 12:20
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Did you run these stages as single races or as part of tours? I'm guessing the results can be different depending on how they are run. |
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| marble |
Posted on 18-06-2010 12:58
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I ran them all as a single stage. I'm doing a full runthrough of the tour now. I also ran a single stage with the Arenberg stage of the tour. Contador was dropped and alot of weird things happened. But when the stage was a part of a full Tour Contador stayed in the peloton. Three riders won the stage about 1'30 in front though. And there was a mass crash with about 50 riders knocking out alot of favorites. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 18-06-2010 13:34
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Notice you're all running single stages. Everyone is equal on GC and all that matters is the one win on that single day, so of course there's no way the peloton is going to let the break just go away.
The preceding post is ISSO 9001 certified
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| marble |
Posted on 18-06-2010 13:42
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I still haven't experienced a breakaway surviving, except for on the cobblestones stage there has been a group sprint or Contador would attack and win (mountaintop finishes). I liked the results from the single stage more as Contador seems to get a gap and win every mountain stage consistantly in a Tour. Well at least the 3 mountain stages I've played so far. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 18-06-2010 13:42
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I agree with isso.
I had a very enjoyable mountain stage in the Tour de France (I was playing it in its entirety) with the 1996 DB. I don't remember the exact details since it's a couple of days ago, but 8 riders got away in the early breakaway.
On the last mountain, they still had 8 minutes - but they were dropping off one by one. Behind them, pretty much the same was going on. A large group of 30 at the foot of the mountain was reduced to a group of 8-10 riders during due to the attacks. Every time a rider attacked, a couple of riders would be dropped due to the increased pace.
In the front, Mattan and someone else actually managed to 'survive', and Mattan won the stage. 40-60 seconds later, Bjarne Riis crossed the line, then followed by a group of 4-5 riders.
Anyway, the point is simply that it was awesome to see an early breakaway survive and win a mountain stage.
Edit: I also played the cobblestones stage. I attacked with my rider on the last pavée, he reached the early breakaway, passed them and finally reached Van Petegem who had attacked away from the break. I won the stage in front of Petegem while the rest of the early breakaway was caught just before the finish line.
Edited by CrueTrue on 18-06-2010 13:44
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| marble |
Posted on 18-06-2010 15:17
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Incase someone is curious about the cobbled classics I just ran Paris-Roubaix and it ended up in a sprint between 22 riders. Flecha won in front of Pozzato, Ballan, Breschel and Nuyens.
Hushovd 6, Boonen 9, Cancellara 10, Haussler 13 etc.. The big sprinters beaten by Flecha. Doesn't seem to realistic to me. Flecha was in front when the sprint started and stayed in front, people barely passed each other. |
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| roturn |
Posted on 18-06-2010 15:21
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I played Paris Roubaix, too. Solo Boonen , Solo Cancellara, Sprint for 3rd between a small group, Pozzato, O`Grady, Hushovd, Flecha...
Justt 3 abandons because of time limit and NO crash or defects!!!! |
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| marble |
Posted on 18-06-2010 15:32
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Okay so just to continue my last post. I just ran Gent-Wevelgem which ended in a mass sprint between over 100 riders. Nuyens attacked and was caught with 5 meters left. Guess who won the bunch sprint? Juan Antonio Flecha. Klier was third.. So that's a bunch sprint with Flecha winning in front of Nuyens and Klier. Wow, just wow.
PS: I uploaded some pictures of Paris-Roubaix and to whoever review those I accidently put the last two in the wrong category. Sorry about that. |
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| Timmeh |
Posted on 18-06-2010 17:57
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I ran Paris-Roubaix on extreme. I played with Cervélo. First thing i noticed: lots of crashes and flat tires. I've counted it ;D
46 flat tires.
113 people fallen. Only three of my riders didn't fall. (Hushovd, Haussler, Hammond: The best cb riders)
Biggest crash was about 36 riders.
On the velodrome, a mass crash took place in the sprint for the 5th position, there were 13 riders (all outsiders and favorites + some of the early breakaway), 10 of them fell!
Breakaway took 20(!) minutes and only the favorites managed to pass them.
Result:
Hammond
Cancelara (+37)
Boonen
Gilbert
Hushovd(+1.02)
Haussler(+1.26)
Van Avermaet
Maaskant
Group of outsiders that fell (+2.33)
Last person to arrive (+46.53)
48 riders didn't make it to the finish, 9 due to enjury the others were out of time.
This seemed pretty realistic to me |
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