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| Rhand |
Posted on 17-05-2010 21:32
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Hi, a few weeks ago I started playing PCM 09 with Caisse d'Epargne (medium level). I'm still in my first season and a few days ago I started Tour de France. First 2 weeks everything went well, my 2 leaders (LL Sanchez and Uran) kept the losses to a minimum (1 minute here, 2 minutes there), nothing savage.
Then all of a sudden, somewhere around the start of the 3rd week, they turn into muppets who can barely cross a hill, despite their reasonably good stats for mountain and hill.
I made a screenshot of it, cos I thought it was funny. But now I'm in other races and there I encounter the same problem too.
Screenshot: https://i40.tinypi...wtvkfk.png
- Both their fitness was around 94%. LL Sanchez had a heavy February-March-April though, but he didn't race from mid-April until Tour de Suisse. Uran didn't race much in the first few months, but he didn't stop racing from mid-April onwards (so he rode both Giro and Tour, although he was abysmal in de Giro cos of low fitness). I didn't check the fatigue bar when the events occured so perhaps it's that.
- No bad moral.
- Recovery was at "Good".
- No bad stats for the day (both "0").
- Not a difficult stage for riders with 75-76 mou-hill and 77-78 mou-hill.
Yet by the time they raced ~160 km both their energy bars were completely empty. This also happened in all stages afterwards, resulting in ~10 minutes lost every stage. LL Sanchez finished 49th in the GC with 58 minutes behind the winner.
Kinda hoped to have left that behind me, but I'm in the Tour of Pologne at the moment and I'm encountering the same stuff, though on a lesser scale. Stage 3 or 4 was 237 km, granted it's pretty long but it was completely flat, and both Lastras and Rojas had to drop out when there were only 5 km left to go. Rojas had a fitness of only 80%, so despite the fact I protected him the whole stage I can understand he fell short in the end. But Lastras had 95%, nowhere near fatigued enough to be troublesome, not a bad stat of the day (-1 is not that bad) and 69 for flat yet he couldn't make it until the finish. 140 other riders could do it, yet none of my riders finished in the peloton.
What is causing this? How can I fix this? |
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| neve57 |
Posted on 17-05-2010 21:40
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are "protecting" the riders?
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| Rhand |
Posted on 17-05-2010 22:11
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neve57 wrote:
are "protecting" the riders?
My teammates not good enough for a specific role (in this case: Amador, Erviti, Madrazo and Zandio). |
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| Pazflor |
Posted on 17-05-2010 22:17
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They are good protectorsnin the beginning. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 18-05-2010 07:17
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It seems very weird to me. Other than protecting your riders (try it out), I can't see what you're missing.
Did you perhaps try to lower the difficulty setting? |
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| Heine |
Posted on 18-05-2010 10:16
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What about Stamina and Recovery? Also durong TDF my riders most of the time have Excellent/Very Good recovery between stages.
Not sure about the riders mentioned, but if they got sucky Recovery they will get trouble in week 3
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| Lachi |
Posted on 18-05-2010 11:23
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Heine wrote:
What about Stamina and Recovery? Also durong TDF my riders most of the time have Excellent/Very Good recovery between stages.
Not sure about the riders mentioned, but if they got sucky Recovery they will get trouble in week 3 Even with the worst recovery nobody should have an empty bar.
My guess is that you forgot to get them water which made them loose all green. This cannot be recovered ever after. Make sure that all your riders have water all the time, sometimes it can happen, that the water carrier does not give water to all riders due to different reasons. So you best get water 20 km before a mountain starts and using a rider with some yellow and red left. |
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| Rhand |
Posted on 18-05-2010 11:42
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CrueTrue wrote:
It seems very weird to me. Other than protecting your riders (try it out), I can't see what you're missing.
Did you perhaps try to lower the difficulty setting?
But I'm already playing on normal, and if the difficulty level were the problem I should have had that in all my races up to now I think, whilst it only occured for the first time in the 3rd week of the Tour.
To adress Lachi, I give them water every 30-40 km, sometimes it takes a little longer because the watercarrier loses energy and can't reach the topriders in the front, but then I immediately send another carrier to the back. So far it has only flashed once due to a lack of water, but that was in some early race I forgot to keep an eye upon while browsing the internet.
About the stamina and recovery, I'm currently riding a race so I can't check the stats from Uran, but on the screenshot I posted you can see LL Sanchez has 70+ for both recovery and resistance.
When I think it over, my guess would be it's because both had a reasonably heavy season so far, resulting in them tiring easier and the fatigue bar filling up fast. Their recovery-stats aren't bad, but they aren't top notch either, resulting in a very bad spell in the 3rd week of the Tour.
Is this a plausible explanation? Otherwise I'm at my wits end. |
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| jack888 |
Posted on 18-05-2010 11:53
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Have they got full fatigue/fitness training? |
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 18-05-2010 12:35
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At start off every stage I make sure every single rider of mine is at the front of the peleton, just abit of advice I though I would put  , I have never had this problem off my mountain/ hill specialists dropping out of the peleton, probaly because i keep all my riders together at the front. |
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| roturn |
Posted on 18-05-2010 12:46
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The problem shouldn`t be with the recovery stat, if it happens in Pologne aswell. Is it every stage or just hilly stages?
I guess you ride all hills 2ith "holding position" and probably 50%. Have you tried to ride manually with the "dot". Sometimes your rider will have problems with "Holding position" if the speed is quite high.
But Sanchez mustn`t have that big problems normally even without going manually.
Looks quite weird to me. |
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| Rhand |
Posted on 18-05-2010 14:58
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Happened twice in Pologne as well, both were flat stages but of a considerable length (210 & 230 km or something). Ever since posting this topic I hasn't appeared anymore though!
The Vuelta is coming up in a few days, I'll see if it happens to Valverde, Cobo and Soler too.
And to answer a few questions:
@ jack: I'm not quite sure what you mean with "full fatigue/fitness training". The riders I mentioned all had 90% fitness at the moment of the drop outs, but their orange bar (fatigue level) was around 75% as well.
@ste117: I do the exact same thing, to prevent crashes and stuff.
@rotourn: I have not yet tried to ride mountains manually, I shall give it a try to if it ever happens again. And I completely agree with your last sentence, quite weird indeed |
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| lechia |
Posted on 18-05-2010 20:53
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If your recovery is only good, that's not good. Your riders will have problems in subsequent stages. This indicates that they had to go all out in the previous stages. Your recovery should be excellent or at the very worst very good if you want to win or be near the top of stage race rankings. |
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| acf69 |
Posted on 18-05-2010 23:18
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The issue might actually be that you ride at the front of the peleton. If there is a lot of wind, or the peloton rides hard for an extended time you completely drain the energy of your riders... |
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