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Planning your season
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| Randeris |
Posted on 30-04-2010 10:37
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I was wondering, how do you plan your season beforehand..
Do you use the PCM season planner?
If you have one of your riders doing the Giro and the TDF how many (if any) racedays in between?
Do you just plan their fitness and then go with the flow, picking riders for races as you go?
How many racedays do you prefer?
Etc... in short: how do you plan your season beforehand? |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 30-04-2010 10:41
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I love planning the season and I'm a nut for details.
So I grab my custom made excel, fill in the riders' names and work my way from the team leader to the lowest domestiques, setting fitness and devising a racing program.
By the end of it I've got the fitness set for everyone, the races subscribed and the exact squad for each race defined.
Of course, often injuries force a mid-season re-planning, but nothing too major 
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| purepasd |
Posted on 30-04-2010 10:55
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I use the season planner.
My riders got around 65-70 racedays  |
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| roturn |
Posted on 30-04-2010 10:57
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First thing I do is to create training plans for every rider. Just 5 - 10 weakest get the same helper plan without being totally in form anytime but good over the season. Just 3 times 3 and 3 times 4 ans so on.
Then I try to get 4-5 better riders for the GT´s and a few other races like MSR, PN, Tirr A. and at least 1-2 riders for Suisse, Romandie, Dauphinee...
Normally you should have a good form with your leaders in their favorite races.
If you play on "normal" it`s even enough to give all your riders the helpers plan but this is too boring and "normal" too easy. |
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| Randeris |
Posted on 30-04-2010 11:02
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If you have riders riding both the Giro and the TDF, do you give them any racedays in between?
Edit: I could ask the same for TDF + Vuelta
Edited by Randeris on 30-04-2010 11:09
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| roturn |
Posted on 30-04-2010 11:19
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Well the training shouldn`t be very much in this time maybe 2-3. I am not sure yet how many weeks there are in between. So just pick you highest training level (5, 6 is too much in my opinion) for Giro and Tour and then fill the time in between with the given rules.
To your question: Normally i just take them to smaller races like Route du Sud or Ster Elektrotoer and the national championships.
Suisse and Dauphinee i prefer riders who didn`t ride the giro and who are preparing for the tour. |
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| lechia |
Posted on 30-04-2010 21:26
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I don't use the planner. I find it's not necessary and I feel that I can just adjust the assigned training schedule if necessary (but I use the preset ones). I never have a rider ride both the Giro and Tour. I only combine the Giro and Vuelta. Often the Giro guys take part in the Ardennes classics and I try to keep their fitness through most of the Giro. Their second peak is at the Vuelta. The Tour guys usually just focus on the Tour with a smaller peak either for the Ardennes or late season classics/WC. Before the Tour I may ride enough to keep the rider's race form at 10/20. The first days of the Tour are generally flat, so no need to have them in top form then (unless they are sprinters). In general I minimize the number of races my leaders take before their main grand tour. |
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| wroblitz |
Posted on 01-05-2010 19:32
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I make 3 groups. In each one I have one sprinter, few good flat riders for a train, one lead out man, at least one good climber and a good time trialist. I put them mostly on 5's and 6's so they're exhausted in 4 months time but that's all I need them to do. The 1st group covers January till May (including Giro), 2nd - May - August (Tour de France) and the third one June - October (Vuelta obviously). Works fine for me. |
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| Randeris |
Posted on 09-05-2010 17:02
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Thanks for all the answers-one more question
If you have a leader (Frank Schleck for me) targeting both the Tour (help Andy, ride top 5/10) and the Vuelta (sponsor goal: Top 3) which races/how many racedays would you ride in between? |
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| lechia |
Posted on 10-05-2010 16:58
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I wouldn't ride except for maybe the Eneco or 5-8 day races. This way you'd have 10 or so ride fitness by the time the Vuelta arrives. Then you'd maximize your fitness over the first few flat stages. The big mountain stages are (usually) in the last week of the tour. |
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| pimarkes |
Posted on 16-05-2010 10:52
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purepasd wrote:
I use the season planner.
My riders got around 65-70 racedays
what is the PCM season planner? |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 16-05-2010 15:04
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The "best" tool to plan your season: https://www.pcmdai...hp?did=634 |
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| facmanpob |
Posted on 07-06-2010 14:51
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Randeris wrote:
Thanks for all the answers-one more question
If you have a leader (Frank Schleck for me) targeting both the Tour (help Andy, ride top 5/10) and the Vuelta (sponsor goal: Top 3) which races/how many racedays would you ride in between?
If he is riding as a helper for the Tour and as Leader for the Vuelta, I would send him to something like the Tour of Luxembourg as TdF warmup, and then let him get more race fitness as the TdF progresses, and then give him the ENECO Tour and a couple of 1 day races pre-Vuelta, so that his race fitness is up to 19/20 for the start fo the Vuelta.
Where possible, however, I like to keep my Vuelta leader out of the Tour altogether.
As for general season planning, I use the season planner to plan the riders races, as spending an hour or two at the start of the season takes out all of the hassle during the season. I use the attached spreadsheet for creating training schedules though, as it gives a better indication of fatigue.
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| The Special One |
Posted on 07-06-2010 14:58
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How many racedays are recommended for riders?
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| Pazflor |
Posted on 07-06-2010 15:13
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Around 70-80 maybe? |
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| facmanpob |
Posted on 07-06-2010 15:21
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The Special One wrote:
How many racedays are recommended for riders?
Here's a thread that might help
Lachi's post about fitness
But iirc the race day fitness progresses as follows:
Prior to 15 race days and a rider cannot get their race fitness up to 20 points.
Between 15 and 60 race days and a rider can achieve the maximum 20 in race fitness.
More than 60 race days and the rider's max race fitness reduces by 1 point every 2 race days, down to a maximum of 10 (iirc)
i.e.
59 days - max 20
60 days - max 19
62 days - max 18
64 days - max 17
66 days - max 16
68 days - max 15
70 days - max 14
72 days - max 13
74 days - max 12
76 days + - max 10
So personally I try to keep my leaders and super-domestiques down to below 65 race days or so, so that they can still achieve 90+ total fitness late in the season (75/80 training fitness and 16/20 race fitness). For domestiques I'm happy to give them as many race days as required as they can usually do their job as bottle carriers even with max total fitness of around 85 (75/80 training fitness and 10/20 race fitness).
Regarding my use of 75/80 for training fitness, I figure that at the end of a hard season it is often difficult to allocate level 6 training to riders without increasing the fatigue level so much that they burn out, so I usually limit them to level 5 training, which will nominally gain you 76 training points but often is only 75.
Hope this helps |
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