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An unemotional game?
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 01-11-2009 22:59
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Hi.
PCM 09 is a... good game. Not great, but good. Even though it gives you a feeling of being in the whole cycling-world, there is one thing that I cant let go. When I see a rider on my team he is nothing more than a name to me. If a senior rider on my team who has not won anything for a while finally wins the Giro befoew he retires, my only responce is "Okey".
When I look at for example FM (which I'm also a fan of) I feel like I get an "emotional bond" with my players. There are some who I want to keep no matter what, but in PCM I just cant get that feeling.
I cant put my finger on what it is, but do anyone else feel the same way or is it just me? |
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 01-11-2009 23:01
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what is this, doctor phil?
its a game, the riders a bunch of pixels and code |
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 01-11-2009 23:03
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What I'm saying is that is brings more of an atmosphere to the game, that in turn makes a better game (as far s I'm concerned). |
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 01-11-2009 23:07
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cactus-jack wrote:
Hi.
PCM 09 is a... good game. Not great, but good. Even though it gives you a feeling of being in the whole cycling-world, there is one thing that I cant let go. When I see a rider on my team he is nothing more than a name to me. If a senior rider on my team who has not won anything for a while finally wins the Giro befoew he retires, my only responce is "Okey".
When I look at for example FM (which I'm also a fan of) I feel like I get an "emotional bond" with my players. There are some who I want to keep no matter what, but in PCM I just cant get that feeling.
I cant put my finger on what it is, but do anyone else feel the same way or is it just me?
I agree in general although I have been known to jump up and down when I do well, normally in TT's, and normally when it is for minor placings in a small team.
I think the reason is twofold, firstly whereas in fm a goal happens quickly in pcm winning a stage takes time and it is more a slow burn enthusiasm than a fast burn, hence TT's where you don't know how well you have done until you cross the finish line.
Secondly, and more importantly, is control. Whereas in fm you have no control over your players and hence they feel like individuals, whereas in pcm you control the riders and hence the results feel more like your own work than the riders themselves.
As far as having players you refuse to sell, that could be because results in football are more subjective than cycling, i.e. it's much easier to pick poor performances out in a race than in a match.
 [url=www.pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=33182] Team Santander Media Thread[/url]
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 01-11-2009 23:14
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When I was talking about players tht I didnt want to sell, I ment players who belong to a certain club. For example, I would never dream of selling someone like Giggs or Scholes from United even if their performance was utter crap. In PCM I dont get that feeling. |
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 01-11-2009 23:18
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cactus-jack wrote:
When I was talking about players tht I didnt want to sell, I ment players who belong to a certain club. For example, I would never dream of selling someone like Giggs or Scholes from United even if their performance was utter crap. In PCM I dont get that feeling.
Is that not just cycling in general. I couldn't see Giggs or Scholes leaving Man U in real life but I can't think of a cyclist who would never move teams (or really any teams which exist for a cyclists entire career)
[url=www.pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=33182] Team Santander Media Thread[/url]
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 01-11-2009 23:31
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I'm only really attached to the riders/players I like in real life in either game.
The others I really don't care much about. |
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 02-11-2009 07:56
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i do get excited when i'm winning 
But if i lose i really don't care. And i agree with the retirement thing, unless it's my leader it's like "Ok, i'll find someone else now"
There's no point slapping a schleck - Sean Kelly on "Who needs a slap"
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| ANFreeman |
Posted on 02-11-2009 08:40
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I can often be seen sat, staring at the results table muttering "well done" to my riders, even for minor placings. Not sure if that's attachment to them, or just a slight case of lunacy on my part... |
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 02-11-2009 09:15
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I swear at the PC screen when my young riders get dropped.
There's no point slapping a schleck - Sean Kelly on "Who needs a slap"
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 02-11-2009 09:20
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I know the feeling, but only in the 1st season. Whenever I reach the 2nd season, I feel that it's my team, my work. And I love seeing my new signings do well.
And even better: Young Riders that I have scouted - seeing them progress and do well at my team, now, that can get very emotional at some points  |
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 02-11-2009 10:11
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I totally get where cactus-jack is going. I cant bring myself to fire people in FM for some reason. Especially not if they have pictures or are young people with no future at all (23 PA anyone?)
A 58 avg rider in PCM though? Get out.
THE THOMAS VOECKLER PROPHET OF PCM DAILY
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| baia |
Posted on 02-11-2009 12:38
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Im a very emotional guy....at 2nd or 3rd season i have got a young rider(scouted at 1st season) winning important races,i do think for me,well done,that´s my guy,he growth with me,learned from my training.....please don´t think i´m crazy but i even cry sometimes.... |
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 02-11-2009 12:51
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One other thing, for me it's usually a big achievement to actually make it through the first season - so I don't have time to form emotional attachments to the riders (and cry ) when something happens to them. |
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| whitewidow |
Posted on 02-11-2009 13:05
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any game gets more immersive when you put more of yrself in it. so when i start a carreer and thoroughly plan the year for all individual riders, in the planningfase already i start to get this "real" feel.
it helps to have debt too! when yr in trouble with money the game becomes very immersive. then a performance by a very expensive leader is truelly valuable, you love him for it!
but planning is everything, you just gotta love it. if i have some talented 18 year old planning to train skills most of the year, then perform in a select few races in october, and then have him break a collarbone halfway through september, that's immersion with a vengeance for you! but if you just let him hang loose all year and he breaks something... who cares then?
well that's my thoughts on e-motion. |
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| linkdrago |
Posted on 05-11-2009 02:44
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emotions are really hard on videogames i would think, though they could have made a few more victory animations |
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