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| ember |
Posted on 19-06-2011 21:15
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Rodriguez won't ride the Tour, which isn't a surprise, he's been in pretty good form from the classics to Tour de Suisse. |
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 19-06-2011 21:17
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Hey dont forget, Vandevelde or Hesjedal. One of them has a chance at a Top 10 unless Garmin mess things up again like they've been doing all season, up to this point.
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| Anonymer |
Posted on 19-06-2011 21:20
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Stijn_vranken wrote:
My biggest Contenders for the podium
- Contador
- A. Schleck
- Sanchez
- Basso
- Leipheimer
- Evans
I don't think Leipheimer is that strong, I rather add Fränk Schleck and Gesink to that list...
EDIT: We probably should have this discussion in a tdf topic...
Edited by Anonymer on 19-06-2011 21:23
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 19-06-2011 21:29
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Anonymer wrote:
Stijn_vranken wrote:
My biggest Contenders for the podium
- Contador
- A. Schleck
- Sanchez
- Basso
- Leipheimer
- Evans
I don't think Leipheimer is that strong, I rather add Fränk Schleck and Gesink to that list...
EDIT: We probably should have this discussion in a tdf topic...
Only if their current form drastically improves and improves a lot
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| jt1109 |
Posted on 19-06-2011 21:51
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Stijn_vranken wrote:
Anonymer wrote:
Stijn_vranken wrote:
My biggest Contenders for the podium
- Contador
- A. Schleck
- Sanchez
- Basso
- Leipheimer
- Evans
I don't think Leipheimer is that strong, I rather add Fränk Schleck and Gesink to that list...
EDIT: We probably should have this discussion in a tdf topic...
Only if their current form drastically improves and improves a lot
TBH they will be peaking for the Tour and Frank rode well enough in TDS to suggest he has a bit of form which I would say is good enough for me. |
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| Anonymer |
Posted on 19-06-2011 21:53
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Stijn_vranken wrote:
Only if their current form drastically improves and improves a lot
You could say the same thing about Andy and I guess noone doubts that he will be in shape...
@jt1109: TBH ? |
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| miggi133 |
Posted on 19-06-2011 22:03
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Anonymer wrote:
@jt1109: TBH ?
To Be Honest
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| jt1109 |
Posted on 19-06-2011 22:05
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Anonymer wrote:
[quote]Stijn_vranken wrote:
@jt1109: TBH ?
What miggi said and what about Thomas de Gendt for the tour(after his stage win) possible mountain jersey winner? or have they changed the rules of this so only the end of the stage counts towards the points? |
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| Timmeh |
Posted on 19-06-2011 22:20
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I don't see Leipheimer/Evans in top 5... Evans will fail once again |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 19-06-2011 23:15
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Leipheimer and Evans for the podium in the Tour. Seriously?
Saying that Contador and Schleck will be the best 2, I see 4 riders fighting for the last place on the podium: Gesink, Van den Broeck, Sanchez and maybe Basso (in that order) if somehow he manages to be in top form in July.
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| jt1109 |
Posted on 19-06-2011 23:58
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alexkr00 wrote:
Gesink, Van den Broeck, Sanchez and maybe Basso
Agreed though i'd say Frank Schleck as well if he climbs as well as 2009 when he was up there with Contador and Andy. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 21-06-2011 22:14
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Roman wrote:
ruben wrote:
Stijn_vranken wrote:
Obivously a top 3 result for rabobank is practically impossible.
Ofcourse not.
After Andy and Contador I don't see many guys better than Gesink this year
Basso and most probably Sanchez. Other guys like Schleck no. 2, Wiggins or Van den Broeck will be most probably the riders which will be his main rivals in this year's TdF. Top 5 is definetly possible for him, but the podium is highly unlikely. Basso was already worse in the Vuelta 2009
Samuel Sanchez will be the toughest opponent since he was, in the previous years, always stronger than Gesink both uphill and in the TT.
Vandenbroeck is probably equal. Evans and Wiggins are really worse.
And for a guy who didn't convince you this year, he surely rode a good Vandenbroeck off his wheel in the only hard mountainfinish of the Dauphine  without any intensity training yet (that was saved after dauphine)
Anyway, you will be the one with the egg on your face stijn, not me
Edited by ruben on 21-06-2011 22:23
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 21-06-2011 22:24
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ruben wrote:
Roman wrote:
ruben wrote:
Stijn_vranken wrote:
Obivously a top 3 result for rabobank is practically impossible.
Ofcourse not.
After Andy and Contador I don't see many guys better than Gesink this year
Basso and most probably Sanchez. Other guys like Schleck no. 2, Wiggins or Van den Broeck will be most probably the riders which will be his main rivals in this year's TdF. Top 5 is definetly possible for him, but the podium is highly unlikely. Basso was already worse in the Vuelta 2009
Samuel Sanchez will be the toughest opponent since he was, in the previous years, always stronger than Gesink both uphill and in the TT.
Vandenbroeck is probably equal. Evans and Wiggins are really worse.
Basso was so much better in the 2010 Giro than the 2009 Vuelta, you can't compare
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 21-06-2011 22:27
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ruben wrote:
Basso was already worse in the Vuelta 2009
Samuel Sanchez will be the toughest opponent since he was, in the previous years, always stronger than Gesink both uphill and in the TT.
Vandenbroeck is probably equal. Evans and Wiggins are really worse.
Shame that Basso crashed..he looked much better already at Suisse final stages..I hope that he will recover..and you would not count him as Worse at already 2009 from Vuelta rider. I realy doubt that Gesink had ever chance to beat rider like 2010 Giro Basso.
Yep Sami will be strong..
and Yep..no way Wiggins and Evans will get to the podium
Edited by Guido Mukk on 21-06-2011 22:28
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 21-06-2011 22:48
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ruben wrote:
Anyway, you will be the one with the egg on your face stijn, not me
You should really read more posts. I'm rooting for gesink  (& JVDB). My biggest concern is his lack of results and performances so far (in comparison to last year)
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 21-06-2011 23:01
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ruben wrote:
Roman wrote:
ruben wrote:
Stijn_vranken wrote:
Obivously a top 3 result for rabobank is practically impossible.
Ofcourse not.
After Andy and Contador I don't see many guys better than Gesink this year
Basso and most probably Sanchez. Other guys like Schleck no. 2, Wiggins or Van den Broeck will be most probably the riders which will be his main rivals in this year's TdF. Top 5 is definetly possible for him, but the podium is highly unlikely. Basso was already worse in the Vuelta 2009
Samuel Sanchez will be the toughest opponent since he was, in the previous years, always stronger than Gesink both uphill and in the TT.
Vandenbroeck is probably equal. Evans and Wiggins are really worse.
And for a guy who didn't convince you this year, he surely rode a good Vandenbroeck off his wheel in the only hard mountainfinish of the Dauphine without any intensity training yet (that was saved after dauphine)
Anyway, you will be the one with the egg on your face stijn, not me
To compare Ivan Basso in the Vuelta 09 with Gesink is just stupid. Stupid. A couple of months later he destroyed everyone on the really hard slopes of the Giro d' Italia. I'll bet that Gesink wouldn't be able to follow there.
And about Gesink as a podium contender.. To me Sami and Basso are more realistic, while Broeck and F. Schleck are equal to Gesink. It will be more than hard to go for the podium - not "highly" unlikely like other in this thread has said. Lets just say unlikely instead.
Edited by Riis123 on 21-06-2011 23:01
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| ruben |
Posted on 22-06-2011 00:11
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Stijn_vranken wrote:
ruben wrote:
Anyway, you will be the one with the egg on your face stijn, not me
You should really read more posts. I'm rooting for gesink (& JVDB). My biggest concern is his lack of results and performances so far (in comparison to last year)
Hahaha  that's actually funny. Lack of results compared to 2010?
You do realise that almost every performance in 2011 from Gesink has been better than 2010?
Let's review!
-1st in Oman + 2 stagewins in 2011vs 7th in Meditterraneen and a 3rd place in 2010
-2nd in Tirreno in 2011 vs 5th in Tirreno in 2010
-3rd in Pais Vasco in 2011 vs 8th in Pais Vasco in 2010
-9th, 14th and 30th in AGR/FW/LBL vs 23th in 2011, 14th and 15th in 2010
-20th in Dauphine while going easy (but still 2nd and 3rd in the important mt stages) vs 5th in Suisse while in topvorm (40th in TT)
-100 more CQ points in 2011 than in 2010
-Better ITT's (far better) than in 2010
-Mountain level not diminished as proven in Dauphine mt stages, while he didn't even do intensity trainign yet (saved for after dauphine)
Results disagree with you, way of riding disagrees with you. Facts therefore, disagree with you.
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| ruben |
Posted on 22-06-2011 00:11
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Riis123 wrote:
ruben wrote:
Roman wrote:
ruben wrote:
Stijn_vranken wrote:
Obivously a top 3 result for rabobank is practically impossible.
Ofcourse not.
After Andy and Contador I don't see many guys better than Gesink this year
Basso and most probably Sanchez. Other guys like Schleck no. 2, Wiggins or Van den Broeck will be most probably the riders which will be his main rivals in this year's TdF. Top 5 is definetly possible for him, but the podium is highly unlikely. Basso was already worse in the Vuelta 2009
Samuel Sanchez will be the toughest opponent since he was, in the previous years, always stronger than Gesink both uphill and in the TT.
Vandenbroeck is probably equal. Evans and Wiggins are really worse.
And for a guy who didn't convince you this year, he surely rode a good Vandenbroeck off his wheel in the only hard mountainfinish of the Dauphine without any intensity training yet (that was saved after dauphine)
Anyway, you will be the one with the egg on your face stijn, not me
To compare Ivan Basso in the Vuelta 09 with Gesink is just stupid. Stupid. A couple of months later he destroyed everyone on the really hard slopes of the Giro d' Italia. I'll bet that Gesink wouldn't be able to follow there.
And about Gesink as a podium contender.. To me Sami and Basso are more realistic, while Broeck and F. Schleck are equal to Gesink. It will be more than hard to go for the podium - not "highly" unlikely like other in this thread has said. Lets just say unlikely instead.
Basso Giro 2010 is overrated by the general public because you guys overrate Scarponi and Nibali as hell.
The Giro is no Tour. Gesink would crush Basso, especially on the steep slopes of the Giro. The steeper and the harder, the better for Gesink
Edited by ruben on 22-06-2011 00:12
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| Sherpa |
Posted on 22-06-2011 00:51
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Basso is currently riding like WTF. I just can't see him hitting the tour at peak form. He is no Andy Schleck, and he has had so much problems lately... I say top 20.
Gesink Oman's peformance, to me, clearly showed that this season he is one level above. At the Tour we'll see if it was just "his good form vs everyone else early season form" or if he really did make an improvement. I bet he did! Top 5, or it's a disappointment.
Don't forget what Mollema, Ten Dam and Kruijswijk already did. I can't wait to see Gesink. Rabobank is getting their training plans right!
Edited by Sherpa on 22-06-2011 01:05
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| hillis91 |
Posted on 22-06-2011 01:09
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ruben wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
ruben wrote:
Roman wrote:
ruben wrote:
Stijn_vranken wrote:
Obivously a top 3 result for rabobank is practically impossible.
Ofcourse not.
After Andy and Contador I don't see many guys better than Gesink this year
Basso and most probably Sanchez. Other guys like Schleck no. 2, Wiggins or Van den Broeck will be most probably the riders which will be his main rivals in this year's TdF. Top 5 is definetly possible for him, but the podium is highly unlikely. Basso was already worse in the Vuelta 2009
Samuel Sanchez will be the toughest opponent since he was, in the previous years, always stronger than Gesink both uphill and in the TT.
Vandenbroeck is probably equal. Evans and Wiggins are really worse.
And for a guy who didn't convince you this year, he surely rode a good Vandenbroeck off his wheel in the only hard mountainfinish of the Dauphine without any intensity training yet (that was saved after dauphine)
Anyway, you will be the one with the egg on your face stijn, not me
To compare Ivan Basso in the Vuelta 09 with Gesink is just stupid. Stupid. A couple of months later he destroyed everyone on the really hard slopes of the Giro d' Italia. I'll bet that Gesink wouldn't be able to follow there.
And about Gesink as a podium contender.. To me Sami and Basso are more realistic, while Broeck and F. Schleck are equal to Gesink. It will be more than hard to go for the podium - not "highly" unlikely like other in this thread has said. Lets just say unlikely instead.
Basso Giro 2010 is overrated by the general public because you guys overrate Scarponi and Nibali as hell.
The Giro is no Tour. Gesink would crush Basso, especially on the steep slopes of the Giro. The steeper and the harder, the better for Gesink
I have to agree with ruben, Gesink got young injury free legs compered to Basso aswell. Basso is getting old and Gesink is still on the ups. Gesink and Sami are the guys to watch for the 3rd spot behind Andy.
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