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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 02-11-2008 10:20
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Shooting Star wrote:
Brett Lancaster is going from Milram to Cervelo. He will be the leadoff man to Thor Hushovd.
thats kinda downgrading. don't you think?
prevent hangovers --> stay drunk
pozzato, basically the most stupid cyclist around
RIP WW. Gone but not forgotten
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 02-11-2008 12:28
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jacknic wrote:
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Armstrong was in Denmark yesterday because of a conference (a lot of people paying way too much to hear him speak). He also gave a few interviews, and in one of them, he mentions that he had two team options after he had decided to make a comeback: either CSC .. or Astana.
He says that if Bruyneel wasn't in the sport, he'd have decided to go for CSC.
Armstrong talks as if he could just choose the team of his liking and they would welcome him with open arms. I doubt that is the fact. Would any team welcome an aged, suspect former tour winner? Even if he is riding for free?
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| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 02-11-2008 12:50
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i think it would be interesting watching armstrong racing for a team like lotto... I mean without a whole team runing for him like he had in us postal and like he's most likely to have in astana or saxo bank...
i think it would be awesome to watch him in the role of evans or menchov that usually get lonely in the mountains to really understand if he's the best of the best in this sport
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 02-11-2008 13:57
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jacknic wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
Armstrong was in Denmark yesterday because of a conference (a lot of people paying way too much to hear him speak). He also gave a few interviews, and in one of them, he mentions that he had two team options after he had decided to make a comeback: either CSC .. or Astana.
He says that if Bruyneel wasn't in the sport, he'd have decided to go for CSC.
Armstrong talks as if he could just choose the team of his liking and they would welcome him with open arms. I doubt that is the fact. Would any team welcome an aged, suspect former tour winner? Even if he is riding for free?
yeah, because thereis no way he would be stupid enough to come back while on drugs, and he gets the team massive publicity just for showing up. So i reckon almost any team would have wanted him on their team. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 03-11-2008 08:45
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Although there are people to like and sometimes adore him in every country, there are also a bunch of doubtful people, directors and sponsors out there. 
Not sure that signing Armstrong would add more good publicity than bad publicity here.
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 03-11-2008 08:52
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Is any publicity bad publicity? and yes, while I would find it hard to see one of the big french teams signing himI think that almost any other team would benifit from having himin thier squad both publicity and (probably) cycling wise. Also surely you don't think he is stupid enough to come back to cycling if he is still doped. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 03-11-2008 08:54
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I reckon he's very intelligent (at least for somebody inside cycling microcosm), intelligent enough to come back into a team guaranteeing him that he'll never be caught (unless there's some retroactive testing). |
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 03-11-2008 08:57
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hes putting his results online, I assume that means that rectro-active evaluation will be possible, I just can't imagine him being stupid enough to risk his good reputation on a small amount of publicity. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 03-11-2008 09:30
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His "good" reputation ? Oh well... |
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 03-11-2008 09:43
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I think some people are being over septical over lance's return. Its great to have such a cycling legend back in the mix, he won 7 Tours weather you think he was doped or not, the is one hell of an achievement. There should be no judgements that he only won because of his team but at the end of the day he forged that team together. And it was him that put his great teams together. Evans or Menchov havent done this and its not like they can be defend by "Oh but it was hard to get the riders they want because they havent won any tours". Menchov has won 2 Veultas and its down to him and the DS to sign big helps. Its the same with Evans he constant moans that he was isolated and he didnt have any help. Well (the way i see it) he himself should have taken the liberty of finding good helpers and getting them on the team. However what he did in the tour in front of the media (having giant hissy fits) won't do him any favours. Evans showed he bulckles under the pressure and he wants a good team to help him. If he wants that hes got to make one himself, hes constantly in the mind that everything will be done for him.
Don't moan at lance for having a good team and making it easy, at the end of the day it wasn't just lance winning it was the team and it always was... |
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| brun sweater |
Posted on 03-11-2008 09:57
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I don't think Riis would've signed him, as he would loose control if he did. Riis is no. 1 in his team. With Lance there, he surely would be degraded in the eyes of the public, and Riis wouldn't allow that to happen. Also, Riis himself is enough controversy as it is. The danish press would lynch the team with Lance there. All they would talk about would be dope, and it's not like they're holding back even without Lance.
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 03-11-2008 09:59
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Aquarius wrote:
His "good" reputation ? Oh well...
His good reputation for people in general, and all over the world except france.
And Smoothie, i agree wholehartedly, but also even with a great team it is possible tocrack when you are left alone, and armstrong (in general) never did. |
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 03-11-2008 10:08
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He didn't crack because he never felt any pressure from other riders, his team put him into the best position and his whole year as planned around the tour de france. There was a huge amount of factors that delivered Lance to his 7 victories. To turn around and say "Doped" is extremly unfair, especially when all the factors are not taken into account. |
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 03-11-2008 10:23
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Smoothie wrote:
He didn't crack because he never felt any pressure from other riders, his team put him into the best position and his whole year as planned around the tour de france. There was a huge amount of factors that delivered Lance to his 7 victories. To turn around and say "Doped" is extremly unfair, especially when all the factors are not taken into account.
I hope he wasn't doped as him being caught would do more harm to global cycling than all the positive tests in the past 5 years combined.
I don't agree with you when you say that in the 7 years of his tour he was never put under pressure. There were days wen he lost time on his rivals. He just was strong enough, with a strong enough team that he made it back. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 03-11-2008 10:27
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Armstrong has always been one step ahead of everyone else - and that counts on all matters. Doping, preparation, season planning, etc. I'm sure that hasn't changed since he retired. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 03-11-2008 10:39
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2 quick comments:
1. Riis publicly welcomed Armstrong to join the team "if he wants to" before Armstrong announced his decision
2. Armstrong did crack in a few occasions, saying he never did is wrong. |
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 03-11-2008 10:50
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CrueTrue wrote:
Armstrong has always been one step ahead of everyone else - and that counts on all matters. Doping, preparation, season planning, etc. I'm sure that hasn't changed since he retired.
I find it unlikely that once he has retired he stays on the cutting edge of doping. I don't think it is addictive and can't see a reason for him to come back doped. He has proven that he is the best rider over the past ten years, this comeback can only damage that. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 03-11-2008 10:52
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If Armstrong wants to win, why wouldn't he come back doped?
There's also this theory that Armstrong will come back 'clean' since he's eager to know if he'd actually be able to win without the dope.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see, although it's unlikely that we'll ever get an answer |
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 03-11-2008 11:13
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mb2612 wrote:
He has proven that he is the best rider over the past ten years.
Thats wrong, he wasnt the best rider. He was the best Tour de France rider. The best rider would be the world cup winner or ProTour. |
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 03-11-2008 12:17
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Smoothie wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
He has proven that he is the best rider over the past ten years.
Thats wrong, he wasnt the best rider. He was the best Tour de France rider. The best rider would be the world cup winner or ProTour.
I guess it depends how you define best, he achieved his season aims every year, what other rider can claim that over such a period. |
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