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| schleck93 |
Posted on 18-07-2008 20:29
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issoisso wrote:
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he will move to milram next year(ciolek)
gerdeman also
is that confirmed???
I'm pretty shure it's only a rumor.
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 18-07-2008 20:44
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Its got to be a Rumour, would be interesting, i hope Gerdeman doesn go to Milram. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 18-07-2008 20:53
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mb2612 wrote:
Augustyn is younger
sorry
wrong. check their birth dates 
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| issoisso |
Posted on 18-07-2008 23:06
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Jerôme Pineau says he has italian friends who rode with Riccò when he was 15 and say he always bragged about how he doped and even showed them how to do it.
So, with aquarius gone, do I have to take the mantle of comparing past and present performances with watts? 
well, so be it.
for starters, Sella was around 400 watts at the Giro. the performances this season are immensely worse (by everyone of the Giro's top riders) than last year. This year's performances that got Riccò a second place at the Giro would've had him struggle to crack the top 50 of last year's Giro. so that's good news. Sella, for instance, had a top career performance of around 435 watts, while Riccò and others last year were around 455 watts. this year the best anyone showed was around 424 watts (Menchov in Pampeago) and 420 for everyone else. Gargantuan difference.
At the Dauphiné, the best registered marks were around 410.
So far at the Tour, Evans has shown around 420 watts. that's a 20 watt improvement over himself two years ago.
Riccò at the Aspin? 445. the rest of the pack on the Aspin? around 415.
Hautacam:
Piepoli and Cobo 439
F.Schleck 432
Kohl 423
Efimkin 411
favorites group at 408
Dueñas 406
Goubert 402
Kirchen 385
Di Gregório 335
Cunego+Valverde around 400
Voigt's "fantastic" Tourmalet performance? 385...
doesn't say all tht much, but it is interesting, or at least I think so 
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| jacknic |
Posted on 18-07-2008 23:25
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You ARE interesting, issoisso. And don't let anyone tell you otherwis |
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Posted on 19-07-2008 07:27
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jacknic wrote:
You ARE interesting, issoisso. And don't let anyone tell you otherwis
are you hitting on me?
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| raar1991 |
Posted on 19-07-2008 09:14
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I haven't read all topic, but did you know that will happen with Tinkoff next year? They said that they will have the biggest money, team will have name Katyusha. They have already signed contract with McEwen and talking with such riders as Cancelara, Sastre, Steegmans... |
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| Xavier |
Posted on 19-07-2008 14:01
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schleck93 wrote:
issoisso wrote:
MortChill wrote:
he will move to milram next year(ciolek)
gerdeman also
is that confirmed???
I'm pretty shure it's only a rumor.
as good as cant be officially confirmed before september anyway |
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 19-07-2008 14:10
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raar1991 wrote:
I haven't read all topic, but did you know that will happen with Tinkoff next year? They said that they will have the biggest money, team will have name Katyusha. They have already signed contract with McEwen and talking with such riders as Cancelara, Sastre, Steegmans...
Its gonna be pretty big stuff! Huge budget huge salaries for riders. Its going to be a very interesting team! |
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Posted on 19-07-2008 15:49
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Sylvain Chavanel really does deserve a stage win!
The sprint was really exciting today, you couldnt tell who had got it right until the end. Its actually fun to see the sprinters battle without Cavendish dominating (although if Cavendish had won, it would have been even better!)
Good work from Froome today too, right at the front on the climb and then 18th at the finish.
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 19-07-2008 18:18
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I would still like to see McEwen and Zabel both to win a stage as a finishing act so to speak. I think it would be a fitting end to both their sprinting (at the top end) careers. As to the rumours around signings for Tinkoff, i hadn't heard about McEwen confirming that, but Steegmans has definately signed for them. I just hope they don't lose their Russo-Italiana style. It's a good mix. Hard men from Russia with Italian grace and style. I also hope that they bring in an internal anti-doping system too.
As to Ricco's wattages, it looks like C.E.R.A provides an increase of around 30 watts then on others who haven't taken anything. One question in my mind however is what wattage would Piepoli had had he not visibly waited for Cobo in the final 1.5km, or if he just looked out of breath. Interesting stuff.
Thats one thing you can't complain about. Drugs provide drama at least, and something to discuss... 
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Posted on 19-07-2008 18:57
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| issoisso |
Posted on 19-07-2008 19:06
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rjc_43 wrote:
I also hope that they bring in an internal anti-doping system too.
They won't. for two reasons:
1. It's Tinkoff.
2. It's Tinkoff.
Sorry if that's a little harsh, but besides their suspicious riders and trainers, not to mention associates, they also were to participate in the Tour, provided they agreed to be in the Biological Passport. They refused. meaning they passed up a Tour invite so that their riders wouldn't be tested.
rjc_43 wrote:
As to Ricco's wattages, it looks like C.E.R.A provides an increase of around 30 watts then on others who haven't taken anything. One question in my mind however is what wattage would Piepoli had had he not visibly waited for Cobo in the final 1.5km, or if he just looked out of breath. Interesting stuff.
Thats one thing you can't complain about. Drugs provide drama at least, and something to discuss...
Still, I wish them gone. But don't think you've seen the favorites ride at their maximum wattages. You'll see that in the Alps. Expect them at 425-430 watts.
Edited by issoisso on 19-07-2008 19:42
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Posted on 19-07-2008 20:04
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Stupid stage. I didn't have any sprinters in my manager team today since I thought a break would make it.
Nevertheless, it was good to see Freire finally winning. He should be uncatchable in the points competition now.
Tomorrow's gonna be fun also. I expect to see something from Andy on d'Agnello since he is so far behind in the GC. The Danish media is blowing up Frank Schleck into something he is not. I mean it's obvious he has limitations in the mountains compared to Sastre, Evans and Menchov, and I don't think he can shake Evans on Prato Nevoso.
CSC is in a great position though with both Sastre and Frank among the 5 top favourites as of now, we should see another massive attack tomorrow, but I don't think they will try anything before the final climb.
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 19-07-2008 20:08
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issoisso wrote:
rjc_43 wrote:
I also hope that they bring in an internal anti-doping system too.
They won't. for two reasons:
1. It's Tinkoff.
2. It's Tinkoff.
Sorry if that's a little harsh, but besides their suspicious riders and trainers, not to mention associates, they also were to participate in the Tour, provided they agreed to be in the Biological Passport. They refused. meaning they passed up a Tour invite so that their riders wouldn't be tested.
To be honest it doesnt seem harsh at all. Take Petrov's Giro performances. Last year he finished 7th overall, would have been higher had it not been for a crash on a slippy corner when solo. This year? He was rubbish. It shows to me that maybe he's cleaner this year than previous ones, and as such is struggling.
As to the biological passport, they were also asked to give out a large amount of money to do that, and you don't know whether they had the money available or not. (Considering what we know now about the teams future, and the fact that Oleg Tinkoff is a rich rich man, we can probably surmise that they do have enough money.)
And as unbiased as i'm trying to be, you can't put down their refusal of a tour invite down to not wanting to be tested. They may have other reasons, such as who would lead the team? They'd have no overall chance other than Petrov, or Ricardo Serrano, who's spanish, probably doped to the eyeballs, and constantly injury ridden (read that anyway you want - either "injured to avoid racing and dope controls" or actually injured.) Nor do they have any quality sprinters to go for sprint wins. So basically a tour de france would have been pointless for them, unless they went for a 2007 giro approach - attack every day.
As to the fact they won't bring in an internal anti doping scheme - i think they will. Maybe not this year, but sooner or later the riders in the pro peloton WILL eventually make their own proper/useful system for changing stuff, and will ask for all teams to have their own anti doping. So with the increase in team size, and importance, they'll have to. That's not to say that Oleg Tinkoff will want to bring one in. I think he's one of the "old guard" and couldn't care less if his riders don't get caught.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 19-07-2008 20:25
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rjc_43 wrote:
To be honest it doesnt seem harsh at all. Take Petrov's Giro performances. Last year he finished 7th overall, would have been higher had it not been for a crash on a slippy corner when solo. This year? He was rubbish. It shows to me that maybe he's cleaner this year than previous ones, and as such is struggling.
Remember Petrov was busted in the 2005 Tour.
rjc_43 wrote:
As to the biological passport, they were also asked to give out a large amount of money to do that, and you don't know whether they had the money available or not. (Considering what we know now about the teams future, and the fact that Oleg Tinkoff is a rich rich man, we can probably surmise that they do have enough money.)
And as unbiased as i'm trying to be, you can't put down their refusal of a tour invite down to not wanting to be tested. They may have other reasons, such as who would lead the team? They'd have no overall chance other than Petrov, or Ricardo Serrano, who's spanish, probably doped to the eyeballs, and constantly injury ridden (read that anyway you want - either "injured to avoid racing and dope controls" or actually injured.) Nor do they have any quality sprinters to go for sprint wins. So basically a tour de france would have been pointless for them, unless they went for a 2007 giro approach - attack every day.
You can't possibly convince me they would decline because of that.
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As to the fact they won't bring in an internal anti doping scheme - i think they will. Maybe not this year, but sooner or later the riders in the pro peloton WILL eventually make their own proper/useful system for changing stuff, and will ask for all teams to have their own anti doping. So with the increase in team size, and importance, they'll have to. That's not to say that Oleg Tinkoff will want to bring one in. I think he's one of the "old guard" and couldn't care less if his riders don't get caught.
Sadly, I think you're giving people too much credit. The change in mentalities so far is almost non-existant.
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| jacknic |
Posted on 19-07-2008 21:48
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issoisso wrote:
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You ARE interesting, issoisso. And don't let anyone tell you otherwis
are you hitting on me?
Nah, that was just me trying to be funny.
But serioulsy I do think that the whole Wattage thing you've got going on i really interesting. For me it is a new perspective on the whole doping thing and a nice analysis tool of the favorites performance.
Plus, I debate on a danish site TV2.dk, where people were talking about Voigts "superhuman" pull up the Tourmalet, so your post helped me clear things up. So thanks. |
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Posted on 20-07-2008 10:46
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So Cavendish has made the sensible decision to abandon the race. 4 stage wins is more than enough and theres no point suffering through the Alps when the Olympics are coming up soon.
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Posted on 20-07-2008 10:51
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Piepoli has said to a director sportif on Saunier Duval right after the police had picked up Ricco that he was on the same thing.
Source: tv2.dk
FÃ¥ minutter efter franske gendarmer havde stormet Saunier Duvals bus for at hente Riccardo Ricco, henvendte venÂnen Leonardo Piepoli sig til holdets sportsdirektør.
"Maxtin(Joxean Fernandez, red.)," sagÂde han ifølge den spanske avis El PaÂis og fortsatte: "Jeg har taget det samme som Ricco."
Riccardo Ricco blev testet positiv for det epo-lignende stof CERA efter fjerÂde etape. Han nægter sig fortsat skyldig. PÃ¥ trods af Piepolis indrømmelse er der endnu ikke blevet offentliggjort nogen positiv prøve pÃ¥ ham under Touren.
Riccardo Ricco vandt sjette og niende etape i årets Tour, mens 36-årige Piepoli vandt 10. etape til Hautacam i suveræn stil med holdkammeraten Jose Acobo Cobo på hjul.
Efter afsløringen af Riccardo Ricco valgte Saunier Duval at trække holdet fra Tour de France.
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Posted on 20-07-2008 11:25
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iso,
how much do you assume the riders weigh?
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