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| valverde321 |
Posted on 28-05-2014 18:34
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Jacdk wrote:
b3n3v3nt3 wrote:
That's the thing, he wasn't the only one. And it wasn't even Movistar who attacked at the peak, it was Europcar with Pierre. It's a competition, and the race wasn't neutralized (maybe it should have been, but it wasn't), I don't see why people blame Quintana.
You know why riders don't attack if the leader is down or on a break? Because its not the morally white thing to do, its not good sportsmanship to win because the others had a defect.
Its a competition but there are still unwritten rules and also there is such a thing as fair sportsmanship.
Its a good thing none of the favourites crashed or were somehow disadvantaged by something on the road yesterday then.
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| Iguwell |
Posted on 28-05-2014 18:59
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I don't really understand why Hesjedal "would be near podium" if he hadn't lost in the TT.
Throughout the race he has stolen some cheap seconds to compensate for this - and really struggled in completing these efforts effectively. Then yesterday he gets a huge gap due to a howler by the orgainzers. On every mountain stage where he has been with the favourites he has struggled to even hold the wheel the last guy in that group. |
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 28-05-2014 19:18
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I found Rolland a bit arrogant today, riding with his whole team behind Movistar. I mean, why the fuck would you do that if your 4th in the GC?? |
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 28-05-2014 19:20
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Iguwell wrote:
I don't really understand why Hesjedal "would be near podium" if he hadn't lost in the TT.
Throughout the race he has stolen some cheap seconds to compensate for this - and really struggled in completing these efforts effectively. Then yesterday he gets a huge gap due to a howler by the orgainzers. On every mountain stage where he has been with the favourites he has struggled to even hold the wheel the last guy in that group.
Stage 14 was the only stage "he scored cheap seconds" and it was 4 seconds to be precise. He's nearly been shadowing Quintana on all over uphill stages never losing more than 30~ seconds to Quintana (who was sick).
Then Stage 15 the first real mountain stage he finishes first in the major group, losing out to Aru, Quintana, Rolland and Majka and Uran only, most of those no more than 20 seconds. Then 16 he rides amazingly well.
You think Hesjedal is struggling, yet his results say otherwise. That is simply his style and it always has been. He has definitely been one of the more consistent riders, and even if you take only 1 minute off his time (although Im sure he would have lost a lot less on Stage 1 if not for the crash, he is already on the podium)
I also think you are mis-understanding me. Im not saying he's definitely on for a podium now. He's riding pretty well and surely would be on the podium now if not for stage 1 as I already said, but theres no guarantee he would keep it. There are still arguably stronger riders here other than Uran and Quintana who both are definitely, like Majka, and Aru.
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| Nin1388 |
Posted on 28-05-2014 19:43
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Jacdk wrote:
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If Quintana takes four minutes the next few stages I can live with the fact that he'll be the overall winner. Although attacking the leader jersey is different than attacking in the leader jersey.
I must admit i lost a bit for Quintana after it was proven he went right past the red flag, but i agree if he destroys Uran on the tomorrows mountain stage, Its not a undeserved win.
But as it stand now its a unworthy win and he will always be the "cheating" winner of a giro.
People are acting all wise and all fair.
If it was Kelderman than u would have been okay with it, MrUfo87?
And same with you, If it was a British rider/ your fav. than u would have been okay with it, Jacdk?
Fact is Giro organizers made a comedy of errors. Some teams interpreted their comments/statements wrong way. Some got lucky like Quintana.
Some DS are supporting organizers while some are not. so there must have been a misunderstanding.
But the FACT is Quintana has never been dropped by Uran in single mountain stage so far and Uran has always looked vulnerable.
and the FACT is cycling is unfair sport.
What BMC and Evans did few stages ago when some other GC favorites crashed,
What happened with Valverde when he punctured in TdF last year
What happened with Valverde during Vuelta 2012 when he crashed and Sky whipped up the pace
What happened with Evans when he punctured in Vuelta 2011
What happened with Andy Schleck when he punctured and Contador went to win TdF 2010
You must learn to deal with it, such stuff happens in cycling.
Some cyclists have won Grand tours in more unfair way. You call him "cheater"? Cycling has seen dopers in this sport and Quintana on other hand is good class of rider. Use word like cheating wisely in cycling context, if you respect this sport!!
If you don't want to see, then suit yourself, people don't need your opinion.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 28-05-2014 19:44
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
simieon wrote:
i dont often speak here... but i have to weigh in on this.
none of the riders did anything wrong, and as such, its very hard to find a good reason to punish any of the riders. the organizers did however screw up royally, and they should be punished.
you dont fix a fuck up by screwing over the people who gained from it, you fix it by making it up to the people who got hurt by it.
in my opinion, the giro this year was decided by the organizers and not the riders, and as such history books should show no rankings at all as an eternal memory of what happens when you forget to think. and the organizers should have their profits from this years giro taken away from them and divided amongst those who lost from this.
In one sentence, you are saying thoise who gained from it should not be screwed and in other you would left Giro without results? Does not make sense to me. Also dont forget that Giro is not over, so dont judge winners and loosers...
At least admit that this sucks when Giro final results will be decided like this.
All riders have 2 hard weeks behind..and now this. Scandal!
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 28-05-2014 19:49
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Omega, Bmc, Belkin, Saxo, Ag2r..should walk away from Giro. Let the Unzue have he's fun. |
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| Iguwell |
Posted on 28-05-2014 19:55
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valverde321 wrote:
Iguwell wrote:
I don't really understand why Hesjedal "would be near podium" if he hadn't lost in the TT.
Throughout the race he has stolen some cheap seconds to compensate for this - and really struggled in completing these efforts effectively. Then yesterday he gets a huge gap due to a howler by the orgainzers. On every mountain stage where he has been with the favourites he has struggled to even hold the wheel the last guy in that group.
Stage 14 was the only stage "he scored cheap seconds" and it was 4 seconds to be precise. He's nearly been shadowing Quintana on all over uphill stages never losing more than 30~ seconds to Quintana (who was sick).
Then Stage 15 the first real mountain stage he finishes first in the major group, losing out to Aru, Quintana, Rolland and Majka and Uran only, most of those no more than 20 seconds. Then 16 he rides amazingly well.
You think Hesjedal is struggling, yet his results say otherwise. That is simply his style and it always has been. He has definitely been one of the more consistent riders, and even if you take only 1 minute off his time (although Im sure he would have lost a lot less on Stage 1 if not for the crash, he is already on the podium)
I also think you are mis-understanding me. Im not saying he's definitely on for a podium now. He's riding pretty well and surely would be on the podium now if not for stage 1 as I already said, but theres no guarantee he would keep it. There are still arguably stronger riders here other than Uran and Quintana who both are definitely, like Majka, and Aru.
I really like Hesjedal as a rider type and was happy about his win in 2012, but honestly, I think we will see him crack on Zoncolan and fall well out of the GC. |
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| Iguwell |
Posted on 28-05-2014 20:00
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TimoCycling wrote:
I found Rolland a bit arrogant today, riding with his whole team behind Movistar. I mean, why the fuck would you do that if your 4th in the GC??
It seems to me you hold an irrational grudge against Rolland. If what you acknowledge as being unsympathic and arrogant is holding a forward position in the peloton, then it seems that he has to do very little to annoy you. |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 28-05-2014 20:03
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TimoCycling wrote:
I found Rolland a bit arrogant today, riding with his whole team behind Movistar. I mean, why the fuck would you do that if your 4th in the GC??
How is that arrogant? He is high in the GC and him and his team are up near the front, good riding from Europcar and not arrogant
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 28-05-2014 20:04
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I think this is becoming bit too hyped up by people. Sure, it was a strange situation and no one really seemed to know what was going on, but saying that the Giro should be left without a winner, that Quintana cheated his way to victory, that others teams should walk out, etc. is as idiotic as it gets.
This seems to be a typical case of something being blown way out of proportions when people start arguing on a forum about it.
"This was a real pity"
"You're right, it's a disgrace"
"Excactly, they should close down the Giro for good"
"This is an absolute outrage, people should be hanged"
"Preciscly, this is worse than Hitler!"
"It would have been better if Quintana had killed 6 million Jews while descending"
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 28-05-2014 20:04
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Iguwell wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
Iguwell wrote:
I don't really understand why Hesjedal "would be near podium" if he hadn't lost in the TT.
Throughout the race he has stolen some cheap seconds to compensate for this - and really struggled in completing these efforts effectively. Then yesterday he gets a huge gap due to a howler by the orgainzers. On every mountain stage where he has been with the favourites he has struggled to even hold the wheel the last guy in that group.
Stage 14 was the only stage "he scored cheap seconds" and it was 4 seconds to be precise. He's nearly been shadowing Quintana on all over uphill stages never losing more than 30~ seconds to Quintana (who was sick).
Then Stage 15 the first real mountain stage he finishes first in the major group, losing out to Aru, Quintana, Rolland and Majka and Uran only, most of those no more than 20 seconds. Then 16 he rides amazingly well.
You think Hesjedal is struggling, yet his results say otherwise. That is simply his style and it always has been. He has definitely been one of the more consistent riders, and even if you take only 1 minute off his time (although Im sure he would have lost a lot less on Stage 1 if not for the crash, he is already on the podium)
I also think you are mis-understanding me. Im not saying he's definitely on for a podium now. He's riding pretty well and surely would be on the podium now if not for stage 1 as I already said, but theres no guarantee he would keep it. There are still arguably stronger riders here other than Uran and Quintana who both are definitely, like Majka, and Aru.
I really like Hesjedal as a rider type and was happy about his win in 2012, but honestly, I think we will see him crack on Zoncolan and fall well out of the GC.
Im sure he will lose time to some people, Quintana almost definitely, but I think he has a good chance at at Top 5 this Giro all things considered. Its not often he cracks and loses major amounts of time, and if he does he's good at limiting his loses.
He is also well known for being really good in the 3rd week, so Im hoping for that atleast 
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 28-05-2014 20:12
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cactus-jack wrote:
I think this is becoming bit too hyped up by people. Sure, it was a strange situation and no one really seemed to know what was going on, but saying that the Giro should be left without a winner, that Quintana cheated his way to victory, that others teams should walk out, etc. is as idiotic as it gets.
This seems to be a typical case of something being blown way out of proportions when people start arguing on a forum about it.
This is not Quinatana foul. Teams waste lot of money..they prepeare riders a half year for this event.
And this is what they get?
This is not about dangerous descent..Evans should wait at stage 7 crap.
Football ..halftime whistle. Some guy keep on running..scoring goal. He did not hear a whistle ..what ever is reason.
Fifa is watching..well what to do..goal is scored. Congrats..you won a tournament. |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 28-05-2014 20:15
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TimoCycling wrote:
I found Rolland a bit arrogant today, riding with his whole team behind Movistar. I mean, why the fuck would you do that if your 4th in the GC??
Maybe he found some liking to riding behind Quintana.
cactus-jack wrote:
I think this is becoming bit too hyped up by people. Sure, it was a strange situation and no one really seemed to know what was going on, but saying that the Giro should be left without a winner, that Quintana cheated his way to victory, that others teams should walk out, etc. is as idiotic as it gets.
I think so too. By now too much talk by team managers and media. Ryder Hesjedal himself summed it up pretty perfectly:
"Tell me what a neutralised descent is? Does everyone just stop?" he said as he rode to the start of the stage. "If you're serious about the race and especially if you're in the pink jersey, you should have been at the head of affairs. End of story. Everyone rode down the descent and that was it."
https://www.cyclin...io-descent
Edited by Shonak on 28-05-2014 20:16
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| Nin1388 |
Posted on 28-05-2014 20:28
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Guido Mukk wrote:
cactus-jack wrote:
I think this is becoming bit too hyped up by people. Sure, it was a strange situation and no one really seemed to know what was going on, but saying that the Giro should be left without a winner, that Quintana cheated his way to victory, that others teams should walk out, etc. is as idiotic as it gets.
This seems to be a typical case of something being blown way out of proportions when people start arguing on a forum about it.
This is not Quinatana foul. Teams waste lot of money..they prepeare riders a half year for this event.
And this is what they get?
This is not about dangerous descent..Evans should wait at stage 7 crap.
Football ..halftime whistle. Some guy keep on running..scoring goal. He did not hear a whistle ..what ever is reason.
Fifa is watching..well what to do..goal is scored. Congrats..you won a tournament.
Well this case was presented to UCI official and they have not penalised anyone. So who are you to?
Anyway if you have read today's news, most of DS have now accepted UCI verdict of no penalty.
Even outspoken Bjarne Riis was saying to get on with it.
But understandably OPQS DS Lefevere is still angry as he knows Uran is not gaining any time on Quintana and it's all downhill from here. And advantage before yesterday's stage was the best he was going to do this giro. |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 28-05-2014 20:40
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I'm pretty excited to see Wellens performing like that.
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 28-05-2014 20:46
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Strydz wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
I found Rolland a bit arrogant today, riding with his whole team behind Movistar. I mean, why the fuck would you do that if your 4th in the GC??
How is that arrogant? He is high in the GC and him and his team are up near the front, good riding from Europcar and not arrogant
There is no reason to ride with the whole team in my opinion. Just seems arrogant to me. You don't see Majka or someone riding like that. It's unnecessary in my opinion. |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 28-05-2014 20:50
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TimoCycling wrote:
Strydz wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
I found Rolland a bit arrogant today, riding with his whole team behind Movistar. I mean, why the fuck would you do that if your 4th in the GC??
How is that arrogant? He is high in the GC and him and his team are up near the front, good riding from Europcar and not arrogant
There is no reason to ride with the whole team in my opinion. Just seems arrogant to me. You don't see Majka or someone riding like that. It's unnecessary in my opinion.
Then Saxo are not doing a good job looking after there GC rider, if you have someone who is high in the GC and riding well like Rolland is then you protect them.
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Posted on 28-05-2014 20:53
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Strydz wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
Strydz wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
I found Rolland a bit arrogant today, riding with his whole team behind Movistar. I mean, why the fuck would you do that if your 4th in the GC??
How is that arrogant? He is high in the GC and him and his team are up near the front, good riding from Europcar and not arrogant
There is no reason to ride with the whole team in my opinion. Just seems arrogant to me. You don't see Majka or someone riding like that. It's unnecessary in my opinion.
Then Saxo are not doing a good job looking after there GC rider, if you have someone who is high in the GC and riding well like Rolland is then you protect them.
You don't get my point do you?? It's not necessary to ride with the whole fucking team, two riders protecting him is more than enough. |
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 28-05-2014 21:21
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TimoCycling wrote:
Strydz wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
Strydz wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
I found Rolland a bit arrogant today, riding with his whole team behind Movistar. I mean, why the fuck would you do that if your 4th in the GC??
How is that arrogant? He is high in the GC and him and his team are up near the front, good riding from Europcar and not arrogant
There is no reason to ride with the whole team in my opinion. Just seems arrogant to me. You don't see Majka or someone riding like that. It's unnecessary in my opinion.
Then Saxo are not doing a good job looking after there GC rider, if you have someone who is high in the GC and riding well like Rolland is then you protect them.
You don't get my point do you?? It's not necessary to ride with the whole fucking team, two riders protecting him is more than enough.
"I'm sorry, but I'm close to calling you a moron for making such a statement, but I wont." How on earth is riding with your teammates arrogant? For Gods sake, the team is there to protect the rider and they'll give their all to do it. Whole team protecting Rolland is clearly better than 2 riders protecting him, so how does this makes any sense? How is that arrogant, please?
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