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| pesci |
Posted on 16-06-2010 09:39
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issoisso wrote:
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It’s funny how, even though everything else points to the contrary, the commentators are still going about Brazil’s “samba-football”.
Dunga has laid down a different path for the team. It’s much more defensively oriented, and much drier offensively. This goes back further than Dunga as well, back in 2002 Brazil were hardly what you could call “samba”.
They play counter-attack.
Just as they did in 2002, 1994, and to an extent 1998. Not to mention the ultra-defensive Brazil of 1990.
Other than the crap self-serving attempt at attacking play in 2006, the last non-defensive Brazil was in 1982.
Well I agree the do not play Samba football but it does not mean they play counter attack. The make a very boring and slow pass play. You only have to take a look to the possession percentage to proof it 63 for Brazil.
i wonder myself if you really watch the USA WC, the really play an awesome offensive football. I may have to remember the 3-2 against holland, which was the best match of the championship for me |
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| lagetcher |
Posted on 16-06-2010 10:37
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issoisso wrote:
Having watched the Brazil - N. Korea game, sadly I only had one option this time: ITV.
Predictably the commentators are idiots. The game went exactly as you'd expect considering the way both teams play, yet they professed their shock throughout.
They know nothing. I feel sorry for the british audience.
The local ones here aren't any better, with the exception of one co-commentator on one channel who actually does know a lot.
Haha...that's funny because when you mentioned you watched the BBC coverage for one match, I was thinking, just wait until you watch on ITV. BBC is often annoying, but ITV is horrendous.
Looking forward to seeing how Spain - Switzerland turns out, but especially how Honduras - Chile turns out. I know very little about how Honduras play, but I imagine that it will be a very open affair. Sadly I miss both matches because of a history exam, but should be able to catch them later 
Also, I wonder the North Korea - Brazil match was shown in Pyongyang after all? I guess we'll never know, but come on, that's a pretty incredible achievement to score against Brazil and play so well defensively. Shame they won't see it like that. |
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Posted on 16-06-2010 11:03
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lagetcher wrote:
Also, I wonder the North Korea - Brazil match was shown in Pyongyang after all? I guess we'll never know, but come on, that's a pretty incredible achievement to score against Brazil and play so well defensively. Shame they won't see it like that.
I think the most likely scenario is that they air some caind of highlights stolen from South Korea a couple of days afterwards (edited to make North Korea look vastly superior to Brazil of course)
But yeah, I guess we will not know... |
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Posted on 16-06-2010 11:12
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I think the match was not broadcast in the DPRK, because the South Korean station which have the rights of the WC and was in negotiations with DPRK's government decided to not to cede the signal after the sinking of the Cheonan, for which the RoK accuses the DPRK.
I suppose that they'll show some highlights though. |
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Posted on 16-06-2010 11:59
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It has nothing to do with the sinking of anything.
Kim Jong-Il announced that North Korean national TV will only rebroadcast matches if North Korea doesn't lose.
And they lost the match against Brazil, so no highlights or anything in Pyongyang.
The goalscorer might get an extra ration of rice today though.
https://www.online...nkorea.jpg
If offense is the best defence, does it mean that defence is the worst defence?
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 16-06-2010 12:22
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Well, my guess was that they would announce that the game had been shortened, then show their goal and say that they won 1-0  |
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Posted on 16-06-2010 12:29
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'One thousand Chinese fans had been recruited for the tournament as surrogate North Korean cheerleaders, including actors and musicians. [...] They had been handpicked by the North Korean government and did not know each other until arriving here Tuesday.'
No comment
And Honduras v Chile now. If Chile could provide their cunning football so expected
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Posted on 16-06-2010 12:35
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You guys never lived in a communist country, that's just the way things go..
If offense is the best defence, does it mean that defence is the worst defence?
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Posted on 16-06-2010 12:39
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While I hate to admit it, I got to say that Norwegians, for once, are useful. All the matches that are not broadcast on the two Danish main channels (DR1 and TV 2) are shown at the Norwegian TV 2 instead. So even though I don't have the third Danish broadcast channel, I haven't missed a single match yet, thanks to the Norwegians |
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| ruben |
Posted on 16-06-2010 12:44
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wtf, the dutch simply show each match |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 16-06-2010 12:53
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pesci wrote:
Well I agree the do not play Samba football but it does not mean they play counter attack. The make a very boring and slow pass play. You only have to take a look to the possession percentage to proof it 63 for Brazil.
Which is exactly what happens when a counter-attacking team play a purely defensive team like N.Korea.
Brazil play on the counter. And they do it extremely well.
pesci wrote:
i wonder myself if you really watch the USA WC, the really play an awesome offensive football. I may have to remember the 3-2 against holland, which was the best match of the championship for me
I disagree with you. So does Jonathan Wilson. So does Marcello Lippi. So does Zagallo. So does Parreira who coached that Brazil team.
They played counter-attack. That's what their players were suited for.
lagetcher wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Having watched the Brazil - N. Korea game, sadly I only had one option this time: ITV.
Predictably the commentators are idiots. The game went exactly as you'd expect considering the way both teams play, yet they professed their shock throughout.
They know nothing. I feel sorry for the british audience.
The local ones here aren't any better, with the exception of one co-commentator on one channel who actually does know a lot.
Haha...that's funny because when you mentioned you watched the BBC coverage for one match, I was thinking, just wait until you watch on ITV. BBC is often annoying, but ITV is horrendous.
Looking forward to seeing how Spain - Switzerland turns out, but especially how Honduras - Chile turns out. I know very little about how Honduras play, but I imagine that it will be a very open affair. Sadly I miss both matches because of a history exam, but should be able to catch them later
Also, I wonder the North Korea - Brazil match was shown in Pyongyang after all? I guess we'll never know, but come on, that's a pretty incredible achievement to score against Brazil and play so well defensively. Shame they won't see it like that.
Judging by qualifying and friendlies, Honduras are the worst team in the tournament.
Edited by issoisso on 16-06-2010 12:58
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| issoisso |
Posted on 16-06-2010 13:03
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Here's a quote by Parreira himself, recently:
Vejo que o time (de 2010) se defende bem e contra-ataca bem. O Dunga tem essa filosofia que eu tinha, de um time bem organizado.
Não que seja defensivo, mas tem oito atrás da linha da bola, às vezes até nove, só com o Luis Fabiano na frente. A grande arma da seleção é o contra-ataque, a bola parada.
And the translation:
I see the team (of 2010) defends well and counter-attacks well. Dunga has that philosophy that I also had. It's a well organized team.
Not that it's defensive, but there are 8 players behind the ball, sometimes nine with only Luis Fabiano up front. The selecção's great weapon is the counter-attack and the set pieces
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Posted on 16-06-2010 13:06
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I actually watched a world cup game. The new zealand one with the BBC Chris Moyles comedy commentary..
Never laughed so much whilst watching sport in my life. Now, I shall leave this thread and not come back until Chris Moyles returns for Fridays Germany match.
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Posted on 16-06-2010 13:06
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Beauséjour 
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Posted on 16-06-2010 13:10
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Chile have been managing perfectly thus far - good match to watch
Edited by Whatsup on 16-06-2010 13:10
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Posted on 16-06-2010 13:30
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Deda wrote:
It has nothing to do with the sinking of anything.
Kim Jong-Il announced that North Korean national TV will only rebroadcast matches if North Korea doesn't lose.
And they lost the match against Brazil, so no highlights or anything in Pyongyang.
The goalscorer might get an extra ration of rice today though.
https://www.online...nkorea.jpg
Bla bla bla. Bullshit.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/storie...37/1/.html
Also, good game by Chile so far. The fact they lack a proper center forward isn't helping Honduras at all, as all Chile's attackers have a lot of mobility and the defence hasn't a clear reference.
Edited by kumazan on 16-06-2010 13:31
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| ruben |
Posted on 16-06-2010 14:24
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Chile was really good, but they should've scored at least 4 goals. They had a shit load of good chances |
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Posted on 16-06-2010 14:28
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Chile played well. They stretched the play and forced the pace and stood it till the end. Though I fear they'll get exhausted quickly
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Posted on 16-06-2010 14:35
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Yes, Chile played well.
I am hoping for a Switzerland victory later today! |
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Posted on 16-06-2010 15:08
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This is how much Portugal's offence suck:
Today they played a practice match against the under 19s of a south african club.
0-0
The players, predictably, left even more depressed than they already had been
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