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Posted on 22-09-2011 14:43
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CrueTrue wrote:
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Did Margaliot ever do anything outside of Israel?
I'm not an expert on U-riders, but looking at his results, he doesn't come across as talented.
(I'm sure this will come back and haunt me when he wins Tour de France in three years...)
he is having an off-season(fights to get top 10's in israel),but he is mostly known for being consistant and hes goal is to be the first israeli to be on the TDF TOP step.
and one last thing,
i am going to kill some one if PCM.DAILY'S 2012 pack wont put him in(but im sure it will-now its only left to buy the game  ).
The first Israeli to win the Tour? Which of his results justify that there's even the slightest chance he will be a top contender?
severel things:
1)i said goal not a sure thing
2)as i said he is having an off season so look at the result next year.
3)again, he is not known for huge talent or big result, he is known for being consistant.
4)this man experty is GC so(a bit more of a steep climber rather then TT but you never know...) |
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Posted on 22-09-2011 14:45
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issoisso wrote:
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Blame Sastre for JoaquÃn Novoa.
Yeah I know Sastre recommended him, but it's Riis' fault for taking the guy
Yeah, but I'm not sure it's really fair to put him in a list of Riis' 'busts'. He would have never signed him if it wasn't for Sastre, and signing a sucky rider to please a team leader is something several teams have done (Kozontchuk and Noval being examples of this).
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 22-09-2011 14:53
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acac wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
acac wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
Did Margaliot ever do anything outside of Israel?
I'm not an expert on U-riders, but looking at his results, he doesn't come across as talented.
(I'm sure this will come back and haunt me when he wins Tour de France in three years...)
he is having an off-season(fights to get top 10's in israel),but he is mostly known for being consistant and hes goal is to be the first israeli to be on the TDF TOP step.
and one last thing,
i am going to kill some one if PCM.DAILY'S 2012 pack wont put him in(but im sure it will-now its only left to buy the game ).
The first Israeli to win the Tour? Which of his results justify that there's even the slightest chance he will be a top contender?
severel things:
1)i said goal not a sure thing
2)as i said he is having an off season so look at the result next year.
3)again, he is not known for huge talent or big result, he is known for being consistant.
4)this man experty is GC so(a bit more of a steep climber rather then TT but you never know...)
He may have had an off-season this year, but how about the year before? And the year before that? I can't find any result whatsoever that justifies a contract with a (weak) World Tour team. |
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| Tuco the Ugly |
Posted on 22-09-2011 15:09
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He's a consistent Top 10 finisher in the Israeli NCs...
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Posted on 22-09-2011 15:11
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i have to be.
i have him and niv libner are all i got
anyway as far as i remember MANY people mocked an certin texan in 1999 when he said he wants to win the tour and hamm....
so tell me what you think is more likely to happen:
1)a man that barely rode his bike for a year and had cancer will win the tour 7 times.
2)a man that is riding his bike constantly will win 1 time.
edit: i forgot to say-there is an israeli called yoav bear(yup like the animal) and i belive he is a more worthy saxo bank-sungard'er.
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Posted on 22-09-2011 15:15
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This Texan was world champion before so definatly more likely that Armstrong would win the Tour one day (being in 1999) than Margaliot in some years.
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| Tuco the Ugly |
Posted on 22-09-2011 15:16
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Its a terrible comparison.
Lance had results before 1999. Nothing to suggest he'd become a 7-time Tour winner, but still.
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| acac |
Posted on 22-09-2011 15:33
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it's true that lance had results before the tour but in 1 month with cancer you are likely to lose a lot of speed,so think what happens in 1 year.
and lastly:riss is a smart guy so either margaliot earned he's contract, or riss was drunk(in that case he will send himself home from one of the GT's. |
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Posted on 22-09-2011 15:40
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acac wrote:
it's true that lance had results before the tour but in 1 month with cancer you are likely to lose a lot of speed,so think what happens in 1 year.
and lastly:riss is a smart guy so either margaliot earned he's contract, or riss was drunk(in that case he will send himself home from one of the GT's.
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Posted on 22-09-2011 16:09
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Crommy wrote:
acac wrote:
it's true that lance had results before the tour but in 1 month with cancer you are likely to lose a lot of speed,so think what happens in 1 year.
and lastly:riss is a smart guy so either margaliot earned he's contract, or riss was drunk(in that case he will send himself home from one of the GT's.
https://en.wikiped...Chauvinism I am only saying don't rule him out. |
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Posted on 22-09-2011 16:24
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As Isso has said before, when his entire career has panned out, and he has never, ever, gained the Top step in any stage race, will you be still here bigging him up? Answer? No.
Like every other nationalist, you have your beliefs, and we all have the truth.
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Posted on 22-09-2011 16:24
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acac wrote:
Crommy wrote:
acac wrote:
it's true that lance had results before the tour but in 1 month with cancer you are likely to lose a lot of speed,so think what happens in 1 year.
and lastly:riss is a smart guy so either margaliot earned he's contract, or riss was drunk(in that case he will send himself home from one of the GT's.
https://en.wikiped...Chauvinism I am only saying don't rule him out.
No I think we can rule him out 
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Posted on 22-09-2011 16:42
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siwi wrote:
Michael Mørkøv bust? No way imo. He is a really good rider.
This is road racing, not track.
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Wouldnt call Anders Lund a bust either, he was pretty good last year actually.
Considering he was supposed to be the next danish star, the least you can say is he's been disappointing.
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EDIT: Dont think its fair calling Mads Christensen a bust.
His best result in a road stage all year is 30th. How exactly is he a shining endorsement of the Bjarne Riis development programme?
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Posted on 22-09-2011 16:42
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Nothing wrong with being nationalistic, almost everyone here is, and without a variety of nationalists riders from lesser nations will go unmentioned, making this forum a poorer place.
Just be prepared to be disappointed and aim small, my dream is currently a South African rider at a GT which could happen next year, as well as a PT worthy climber, which could happen in the next 2-3 years.
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Posted on 22-09-2011 16:48
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mb2612 wrote:
Nothing wrong with being nationalistic, almost everyone here is, and without a variety of nationalists riders from lesser nations will go unmentioned, making this forum a poorer place.
Just be prepared to be disappointed and aim small, my dream is currently a South African rider at a GT which could happen next year, as well as a PT worthy climber, which could happen in the next 2-3 years.
Both could happen soon if Augustyn gets his ass in gear and the injuries behind him
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Posted on 22-09-2011 17:05
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issoisso wrote:
siwi wrote:
Wouldnt call Anders Lund a bust either, he was pretty good last year actually.
Considering he was supposed to be the next danish star, the least you can say is he's been disappointing.
Who ever claimed he would be the next danish star? Nobody. Was he ever close at beeing that? No. Just because he did well the last year with Riis in the Vuelta? I think, doesn't mean he was ever thought to finish top 10, in any GT.
I also wonder how you can classify riders, the way you do. Not every rider Riis take in, is in the belive they will eventually win the Tour. Don't we need helpers aswell? I think he did a great job doing so. I mean, look at this year. I think Boaro and Majka did extremely well. Will they ever win the Tour? I doubt. But I still see them as a success.
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Posted on 22-09-2011 17:07
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mb2612 wrote:
Nothing wrong with being nationalistic, almost everyone here is, and without a variety of nationalists riders from lesser nations will go unmentioned, making this forum a poorer place.
Just be prepared to be disappointed and aim small, my dream is currently a South African rider at a GT which could happen next year, as well as a PT worthy climber, which could happen in the next 2-3 years. I agree that he will most likely fail.the part I disagree is that people say he going to fail for sure,nothing is sure until it happens. |
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Posted on 22-09-2011 17:11
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I never said that he would fail for sure. I'm still questioning why he's getting the chance when he hasn't proved anything ever. He has results in Israeli races, and that's it. How does that justify a contract with a World Tour team?
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Posted on 22-09-2011 17:11
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issoisso wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
Nothing wrong with being nationalistic, almost everyone here is, and without a variety of nationalists riders from lesser nations will go unmentioned, making this forum a poorer place.
Just be prepared to be disappointed and aim small, my dream is currently a South African rider at a GT which could happen next year, as well as a PT worthy climber, which could happen in the next 2-3 years.
Both could happen soon if Augustyn gets his ass in gear and the injuries behind him
Yeah hopefully although I have started losing faith in that ever happening, Hunter should get a GT ride next season as well, Impey seems to be changing teams again next season, although I'm not sure where he is going so he might go Pro Tour as well.
Van Zyl and Mentjies have both been very strong uphill on the domestic scene and are only 19/20 so hopefully they will come through internationally in the next few years as well.
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Posted on 22-09-2011 17:19
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Dizzle wrote:
Who ever claimed he would be the next danish star? Nobody.
Many people were absolutely sure he was going to be a big star. He got great results in many u-23 races from LBL to RvV to the Giro delle Regioni, and if I remember correctly he was nearly european champion.
He was VERY hyped.
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Was he ever close at beeing that? No.
Exactly my point
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Just because he did well the last year with Riis in the Vuelta? I think, doesn't mean he was ever thought to finish top 10, in any GT.
Nobody ever mentioned GTs
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I also wonder how you can classify riders, the way you do. Not every rider Riis take in, is in the belive they will eventually win the Tour. Don't we need helpers aswell? I think he did a great job doing so. I mean, look at this year. I think Boaro and Majka did extremely well. Will they ever win the Tour? I doubt. But I still see them as a success.
And how exactly did I not rate helpers as successes? Klostergaard is there. Was he some kind of superstar? Of course not, he's a decent helper. I listed him as a hit. Chris Sörensen is hardly a superstar either. I listed him too.
Name one guy I listed as a bust that ended up being a good rider for the team? There aren't any. The ones that turned out well were kept. The busts were discarded. That last one is the main criteria: if Riis discarded you because he thought you didn't fit in the team, then that's a clear indication that even the team manager thinks you're a bust
Did you even read my post, or did you just skim through it?
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