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| wogsrus |
Posted on 16-05-2014 01:31
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Woke up with 5 k to go. I missed a bit.
Not sure why people are moaning about Evans. What is he supposed to do? Stop because everyone else has fallen down when he has been good enough to stay up. I dont think so. Ultimately this is a race, and with 10km to go, you can not really expect him to stop and wait. With 20 or 30 k to go, he probably would have stopped but with 10 to go, the race is fair game in my opinion, what ever happens.
Crashes are a part of the sport. You either deal with the repercussions of being caught up in a crash, or you piss off and don't ride. Evans has had his share of bad luck, today he got some. What goes around comes around. Hence why the people who are moaning about his actions are ludicrous.
More to the point, the second group did absolutely nothing in trying to get back to the front. Their negative riding is ultimately their downfall, not Cadel's. |
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| Smoku |
Posted on 16-05-2014 08:31
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 16-05-2014 08:40
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I just finished watching yestardays stage (final 15kms) and i have to say that, even it should be unpopular opinion.
Can you people be more ridicolous than wanting someone to wait in a GT??? This is sport, this is about winning, this is about money, it is not a good will competition. Should athletes stop running because their opponent stepped out of his line? Should footbal teams stop playing because their opponent is being watched by doctor behind the side line? No, just no.
Crashes are part of the sport and shit happenes, maybe you should be more careful of where you are positioned in the bunch, you will never be taken out by crash from first row, if it is not you crashing in the first place.
Whoever thinks Evans did wrong with letting his teammate push the tempo is naive and crazy, this was perfect chance for him to get precious seconds and it was completely valid move by all rules of the sport.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 16-05-2014 08:43
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Also, who decides who is worthy to be waited for? You? God? WT rankings? First 20 guys in GC (please riders who made a crasj, step into the line, but only those first twenty, thanks). You are in GT to ride and win, you just ride and win. 
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 16-05-2014 08:45
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I dont know how many other riders may not start the ext stage.
And with Evans, it was smart from him akd his team. Get an opportunity, take it. Youould be bloody stupid not too. And at least he didnt get the most bonus seconds. Matthews still in Pink  And Kelderman wasnt too bad which is good for Belkin and Jesleyh 
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| Neillster |
Posted on 16-05-2014 08:48
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Can I ask, has anyone a comprehensive list of the riders who abandoned? |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 16-05-2014 08:50
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dienblad wrote:
5. Can't the Italians make normal roads?? Last year in the rain it was incredibly slippery, now in the South the same thing. Blame Italy for these roads and the crash!!!
Should we move the whole Giro to Ireland or Qatar or whatever? Italian roads are italian roads and crashes were always part of cycling and GT riding, taking out the biggest starts of the sport regulary. Deal with it
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| CountArach |
Posted on 16-05-2014 08:56
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Flens is starting with a broken finger and Kruijswijk is starting with a fractured elbow. Flens looked like he fell particularly badly in the previous stage.
https://www.cyclin..._giro.html
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 16-05-2014 08:59
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Kruiswijk  Kelderman will need some help and it was hoped Steven could be the one.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 16-05-2014 08:59
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
dienblad wrote:
5. Can't the Italians make normal roads?? Last year in the rain it was incredibly slippery, now in the South the same thing. Blame Italy for these roads and the crash!!!
Should we move the whole Giro to Ireland or Qatar or whatever? Italian roads are italian roads and crashes were always part of cycling and GT riding, taking out the biggest starts of the sport regulary. Deal with it
Not to mention that it isn't the fault of the roads (which are actually not too bad in most places) but rather it is because of olives making the road slick.
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 16-05-2014 09:10
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Joaquim Rodriguez said that the organisation of the race and the local roads are not too blame. It is more the fact they are going 60km/h on wet roads and going round corners. Touching your brakes could make you crash, that is the risk they are willing to take said J.Rod.
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 16-05-2014 09:21
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Rodriguez might never win a GT, sad but true :/ |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 16-05-2014 09:52
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Have to agree with some of the last posts about Evans, what was he supposed to do? Well he did the right thing and went on and used both Oss and Morabito to great effect. Overall I now think that this will make a better Giro d'Iitalia now that Evans has got this advantage, because it means stronger favourites like Quintana and Uran have to make quite a bit of time up on him. The only sad point is Rodriguez such a huge loss to the race, but he'd already crashed out in the Ardennes classics so I don't know how good a form he was on.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 16-05-2014 09:54
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Luis Leon Sanchez wrote:
Joaquim Rodriguez said that the organisation of the race and the local roads are not too blame. It is more the fact they are going 60km/h on wet roads and going round corners. Touching your brakes could make you crash, that is the risk they are willing to take said J.Rod.
But not in Bari, which seems totally logical
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 16-05-2014 09:57
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Tafiolmo wrote:
Have to agree with some of the last posts about Evans, what was he supposed to do? Well he did the right thing and went on and used both Oss and Morabito to great effect. Overall I now think that this will make a better Giro d'Iitalia now that Evans has got this advantage, because it means stronger favourites like Quintana and Uran have to make quite a bit of time up on him. The only sad point is Rodriguez such a huge loss to the race, but he'd already crashed out in the Ardennes classics so I don't know how good a form he was on.
Apparently Purito had already broken 2 ribs in Amstel Gold which he'd kept hidden. Shame, he was going well before that |
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 16-05-2014 10:16
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Already expressed my opinion way above on yesterday but what I will add is that what BMC lack going up they consistently have on the flat. Yes there's luck involved but they consistently keep Evans clear of trouble. Also they drop off after 3km to go on the flat stages when the sprint trains typically come through - i.e. they are out the way for the business end of sprints which suits all sides. |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 16-05-2014 10:24
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Can you people be more ridicolous than wanting someone to wait in a GT??? This is sport, this is about winning, this is about money, it is not a good will competition. Should athletes stop running because their opponent stepped out of his line? Should footbal teams stop playing because their opponent is being watched by doctor behind the side line? No, just no.
Crashes are part of the sport and shit happenes, maybe you should be more careful of where you are positioned in the bunch, you will never be taken out by crash from first row, if it is not you crashing in the first place.
Whoever thinks Evans did wrong with letting his teammate push the tempo is naive and crazy, this was perfect chance for him to get precious seconds and it was completely valid move by all rules of the sport.
It's called fair play, and you might consider it to be the most "ridiculous" thing, but for many "naive and crazy" people it's part of sport. Other than to popular belief apparently, sport is not war and it never should be.
At yesterday's crash, it happened very upfront and thus many GT contenders were involved too and basically the entire peloton came down. This was not a normal crash, I repeat once again. There was no chance to avoid it for them. It's simply impossible that every captain and their helpers can be in Top 15. Otherwise, it'd be madness.
Evans has of course not broken any rules and whatsoever, however the legitimate excuse for such behavior ("the peloton is too big and thus it's uncontrollable", "too big to stop", "did not know about crash" etc ), does not hold up in his explanation since they were only 8 riders, which is my personal main point of disliking yesterday's racing. They had the chance of showing fair-play but refused to do so. I personally hoped Evans had more class than that, but he prefers to fight without virtues. That's alright for him and cycling. Don't have to like it though.
Also, your comparisons don't hold up in my opinion, especially the running one. At football, basically more than half of the total players (to compare it to yesterday's crash) would be on the floor or be unable to play for some time and yes, they totally would stop playing, albeit often times after a finished attack. The opposing side oftentimes kicks the ball out when there's only one player on the floor.
Edited by Shonak on 16-05-2014 14:26
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 16-05-2014 10:25
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Luis Leon Sanchez wrote:
Kruiswijk Kelderman will need some help and it was hoped Steven could be the one.
Hopefully Goos will be able to help him. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 16-05-2014 10:32
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Oh i do love the "etiquette debate", comes up at least once a year (usually three or four times) and everyone has their own opinion. In an attempt to de-clutter the Giro thread may i recommend this (https://pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread....d_id=30407) thread?
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 16-05-2014 10:52
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Advertising the own thread, so because of that you wanted to become an admin. 
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