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| ember |
Posted on 27-10-2008 14:52
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Cioni wasn't that good helper in the Tour But I wonder who is going to help Evans in the real mountains next year... |
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 27-10-2008 15:04
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Posted on 27-10-2008 15:05
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ember wrote:
Cioni wasn't that good helper in the Tour But I wonder who is going to help Evans in the real mountains next year...
Dekker
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 27-10-2008 15:14
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What a site that will be... Dekker as the super domestique. |
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| ember |
Posted on 27-10-2008 15:38
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Dekker of course, but I don't think Wegelius is strong enough to sit with the big guns in the mountains for a long time, hopefully he will prove me wrong |
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Posted on 27-10-2008 15:48
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Yeah, I don't really see how Evans is more protected than last year. Dekker hasn't really proved that he's worth betting on in the big tours - in fact, he could turn out being another Popovych. Wegelius? Yay, let's see him climb the mountains along with the likes of Contador, Basso, Klöden, etc. Not going to happen.
Evans will be left alone once again. The only difference from this year will be that he next year won't have a chance of winning overall anyway |
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 27-10-2008 15:52
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Nah, Charly wil be fine. Just think back he sat in the giro no problem and really stormed it for the team. Best candidate for Evans as they are good friends too. |
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Posted on 27-10-2008 15:58
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So, you're saying that Wegelius will be up there with Basso, Contador, Klöden, Leipheimer, the Schlecks, Menchov etc.?
Keep in mind that there's a huge difference between the Giro and the Tour. |
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Posted on 27-10-2008 16:00
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No no, what i saying is that he will prove a useful domestique and when it comes to a climb he will acutually be able to help Evans or at least pull the pace until the big attack come. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 27-10-2008 16:01
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CrueTrue wrote:
Keep in mind that there's a huge difference between the Giro and the Tour.
Yes, the climbs in the Giro are steeper and the climbers are better.
Wegelius shed the peloton down to about 20 on ONE stage. Hardly enough to qualify him as someone who will hang on.
Popovych and Dekker, on the other hand, showed in 2007 that both of them can still be there AND working at the front when crunch time comes and it's down to the few top climbers. |
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 27-10-2008 16:07
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He did a bit more than that Isso, theres a lot you dont see though. Like helping positioning. Wegelius did a good job getting Pellizotti into a good position. Helping with pulling the pack on various hilly stages. He is a good rider and you cant take it away from him. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 27-10-2008 16:16
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CrueTrue wrote:
Yeah, I don't really see how Evans is more protected than last year. Dekker hasn't really proved that he's worth betting on in the big tours - in fact, he could turn out being another Popovych. Wegelius? Yay, let's see him climb the mountains along with the likes of Contador, Basso, Klöden, etc. Not going to happen.
Evans will be left alone once again. The only difference from this year will be that he next year won't have a chance of winning overall anyway Either I'm mad, or you missed the Tour of 2007.
Remember for instance the stage with the Pailheres. Dekker narrowed down the field to 15 men at the top of that climb, doing all the work. And even better, the stage to the Aubisque.
Guys like Sastre AND Soler went into the attack in that stage, with 5 cols, Dekker kept the gap between 3 and 4 minutes and didn't let it grow, meaning he went as fast up the climbs as Soler and Sastre at that point. Then, just between the last 2 mountains, he accelerated on the flat bringing the gap down to 1.30 minutes. Destroying any chance that break had. So practically he alone destroyed a breakaway in a heavy mountain stage with Sastre and Soler, in 2007 among the best climbers there. So, why is it exactly that you say that Dekker hasn't proven to be capable of working in a grand tour? |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 27-10-2008 16:20
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Smoothie wrote:
He did a bit more than that Isso, theres a lot you dont see though. Like helping positioning. Wegelius did a good job getting Pellizotti into a good position. Helping with pulling the pack on various hilly stages.
Very different from being up there when the field is down to 10 riders, which is what we're talking about. Which is something he can't do.
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He is a good rider and you cant take it away from him.
When exactly did I try to "take it away from him"? |
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 27-10-2008 16:23
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Well maybe you should read my previous comment.
And the tone your post came out in sounded like he wasnt good enough for a tour and he had only one good day. When actually he performs throughout the tours... |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 27-10-2008 16:25
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Smoothie wrote:
Well maybe you should read my previous comment.
And the tone your post came out in sounded like he wasnt good enough for a tour and he had only one good day. When actually he performs throughout the tours...
But Evans needs someone to be there when the favorites attack, that's what we're discussing. Wegelius, as good a climber as he is, isn't that someone
About my previous post, he had one day in which he did very well, narrowing the group down to 20 or so. Other than that, he wasn't anywhere near that level. That's not his usual level. |
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| ember |
Posted on 27-10-2008 20:24
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In any case, I don't believe that Dekker, nor Wegelius is capable to help Evans to the very end at any of the big mountain stages. I think Evans will be on his own when the big favourites attack. Dekker may be a good helper for the first 6-9 kilometres of a final climb, but on the last 5, when they all are attacking...I don't stand him a very big chance. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 27-10-2008 22:35
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You will be suprised next year then. |
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 27-10-2008 22:55
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I dont think Dekker deserves helper duty. It will probably end up him being leader. Evans just cant cope with the pressure. Most of all. |
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Posted on 27-10-2008 23:05
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Being the yellow jersey, being injured, being isolated from his team the entire time, getting no help to chase.
Compared to most previous yellow jerseys I think he coped fantastically under extremely difficult circumstances. |
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Posted on 27-10-2008 23:49
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was he actually injured? he didn't seem to be that weak. He did well but on the two stages where he could have won the tour he didn't put in a good performance, technically thats called choking |
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