issoisso wrote:
To a guy like Landis, appearance is everything. His deeply religious parents aren't talking to him. If he had miraculously managed to have gotten an "innocent" verdict, his family would embrace him back.
And to Landis, that means everything.
That, plus he'll always win gobs more money riding for Rock Racing, so spending money wasn't much of a problem.
Well it's miraculous that his parents talked to him even before he was convicted. His family is Mennonite, which means they are a brand of Christians who don't believe in using many of the modern conveniences we use today, and they basically live like people did in America during the late 1700's. And when Mennonite children become teenagers, they are allowed to experience modern life for a period of time, and if they decide to join the modern world, opposed to keeping the old lifestyle, they are allowed to leave, but usually that means that the family doesn't have any communication with them.
Landis was lucky to have a family that accepted his view, and he destroyed that.
I see Mennonite/Amish people every day, one of the local bike shops is run by a Mennonite family, and it takes a LOT to piss them off, they didn't even seem phased when some teenagers burnt the local Mennonite schoolhouse down.
If Landis could push his own family over the edge, he's not coming back.
According to Landis his family has been very supportive of him ever since he raced mountain bikes as a junior. Menonites don't live like Americans in the 1700's, that is the Amish. and there is a difference. I have no idea were you are getting your information from.
issoisso wrote:
To a guy like Landis, appearance is everything. His deeply religious parents aren't talking to him. If he had miraculously managed to have gotten an "innocent" verdict, his family would embrace him back.
And to Landis, that means everything.
That, plus he'll always win gobs more money riding for Rock Racing, so spending money wasn't much of a problem.
Well it's miraculous that his parents talked to him even before he was convicted. His family is Mennonite, which means they are a brand of Christians who don't believe in using many of the modern conveniences we use today, and they basically live like people did in America during the late 1700's. And when Mennonite children become teenagers, they are allowed to experience modern life for a period of time, and if they decide to join the modern world, opposed to keeping the old lifestyle, they are allowed to leave, but usually that means that the family doesn't have any communication with them.
Landis was lucky to have a family that accepted his view, and he destroyed that.
I see Mennonite/Amish people every day, one of the local bike shops is run by a Mennonite family, and it takes a LOT to piss them off, they didn't even seem phased when some teenagers burnt the local Mennonite schoolhouse down.
If Landis could push his own family over the edge, he's not coming back.
According to Landis his family has been very supportive of him ever since he raced mountain bikes as a junior. Menonites don't live like Americans in the 1700's, that is the Amish. and there is a difference. I have no idea were you are getting your information from.
Probably since one of my dad's best friends is Mennonite. And if you would have read, you would have understood that I said Landis was lucky to have family that supported his efforts in cycling. And when Landis started racing, he followed Mennonite rules, not even wearing bike shorts because Mennonites don't allow pants above the knee.
I also said in my post that I see AMISH AND MENNONITES every day, and know the distinction, Mennonites are much less strict, but still follow the general rules that the Amish do. So before you start to criticize someone who could walk to a Mennonite farm right now, learn to read before you type, and try spell checking too as you spelled Mennonite incorrectly.
Edited by icecreamtester on 22-08-2008 22:45
According to Landis' AUTOBIOGRAPHY he grew up with semi-modern ammenities such as radios cars, electricity, a tv and VHS player. doesn't sound 1700's to me.
Levi4life wrote:
According to Landis' AUTOBIOGRAPHY he grew up with semi-modern ammenities such as radios cars, electricity, a tv and VHS player. doesn't sound 1700's to me.
you have his book saying he's innocent all the time. I love cycling books, but not going near that one
There's no point slapping a schleck - Sean Kelly on "Who needs a slap"
Levi4life wrote:
According to Landis' AUTOBIOGRAPHY he grew up with semi-modern ammenities such as radios cars, electricity, a tv and VHS player. doesn't sound 1700's to me.
By living in the 1700's I meant they live their lives, and have similar morals to Christians in the late 1700's.
The point of my post wasn't to say they live like peasants, it was to point out that Mennonites have an option to leave the simple lifestyle behind, which Landis took.
Usually Mennonite families cut off most communication if that decision is made, and Landis was lucky enough to have supportive parents that didn't do that.
I have his book which about growing up, riding domestically, Racing for Mercury, Discovery and phonak. There isn't a mention of his case until the tour 2006. After that there are several chapters devoted to his experience post tour and another filled with SCIENTIFIC PROOF, that his tests were skewed. Yes he does claim innocence but he backs it up. The age old adage 'Never judge a book by its cover' is never more prevalent than you comment above doddy
Levi4life wrote:
I have his book which about growing up, riding domestically, Racing for Mercury, Discovery and phonak. There isn't a mention of his case until the tour 2006. After that there are several chapters devoted to his experience post tour and another filled with SCIENTIFIC PROOF, that his tests were skewed. Yes he does claim innocence but he backs it up. The age old adage 'Never judge a book by its cover' is never more prevalent than you comment above doddy
Unfortunately, an autobiography can contain whatever the hell the writer wants it to contain, but if the guys that are higher than you on the cycling food chain decide your guilty, than sorry bud, your screwed.
And I don't know what evidence was brought up at his trial, but if that info in his book is so convincing, it might have been smart to bring that up, BEFORE he needed to write a book about it.
Levi4life wrote:
According to Landis' AUTOBIOGRAPHY he grew up with semi-modern ammenities such as radios cars, electricity, a tv and VHS player. doesn't sound 1700's to me.
By living in the 1700's I meant they live their lives, and have similar morals to Christians in the late 1700's.
The point of my post wasn't to say they live like peasants, it was to point out that Mennonites have an option to leave the simple lifestyle behind, which Landis took.
Usually Mennonite families cut off most communication if that decision is made, and Landis was lucky enough to have supportive parents that didn't do that.
Again, Spell Check, it was amenities this time.
pull your head out of your ass. it is a true tragedy when your point has its ass kicked by my point and then your only backup is "spell check"
If I was like that my rebuttle would be something so stupid and irrelevant as to point out that I am personal friends with Scott Nydam, Steve Cozza, Nathan Miller, Gavin Chilcott, and that I know Levi and Chris Horner, but I won't do that because I don't need to
It will be very interesting to see how Boasson Hagen does in the climbs in the Eneco tour. If he does well he might get a very good position in the final GC.
Levi4life wrote:
I have his book which about growing up, riding domestically, Racing for Mercury, Discovery and phonak. There isn't a mention of his case until the tour 2006. After that there are several chapters devoted to his experience post tour and another filled with SCIENTIFIC PROOF, that his tests were skewed. Yes he does claim innocence but he backs it up. The age old adage 'Never judge a book by its cover' is never more prevalent than you comment above doddy
Unfortunately, an autobiography can contain whatever the hell the writer wants it to contain, but if the guys that are higher than you on the cycling food chain decide your guilty, than sorry bud, your screwed.
And I don't know what evidence was brought up at his trial, but if that info in his book is so convincing, it might have been smart to bring that up, BEFORE he needed to write a book about it.
He wrote the book in 2006 and his defences proved that ISL was violated by that french bitch who did all his testing. The violations of ISL are so numerous that by all accounts and even Landis' origional arbtration confirmed as such, that if wada and all the other ada's including USADA followed up with the rules laid down by WADA upon its founding that the case should have been dropped. I will continue to rip you a new asshole as soon as I get back from my ride.
I must warn you that I can back my arguments up with science and you can't.
Levi4life wrote:
According to Landis' AUTOBIOGRAPHY he grew up with semi-modern ammenities such as radios cars, electricity, a tv and VHS player. doesn't sound 1700's to me.
By living in the 1700's I meant they live their lives, and have similar morals to Christians in the late 1700's.
The point of my post wasn't to say they live like peasants, it was to point out that Mennonites have an option to leave the simple lifestyle behind, which Landis took.
Usually Mennonite families cut off most communication if that decision is made, and Landis was lucky enough to have supportive parents that didn't do that.
Again, Spell Check, it was amenities this time.
pull your head out of your ass. it is a true tragedy when your point has its ass kicked by my point and then your only backup is "spell check"
If I was like that my rebuttle would be something so stupid and irrelevant as to point out that I am personal friends with Scott Nydam, Steve Cozza, Nathan Miller, Gavin Chilcott, and that I know Levi and Chris Horner, but I won't do that because I don't need to
My only backup was spell check? I think there's a little more than that in my post. I wasn't the one who took the 1700's comment out of my post and tried to make you seem like an idiot. I never tried to insult you, and the reason I pointed out I live within walking distance of Mennonite families was to show that I might know a little bit about what I'm saying, saying you know other cyclists has nothing to do with the Landis or the Mennonite lifestyle. So NO they would not be similar comments at all, and I would expect you to post that because you seem like a fairly intelligent guy, so why don't you lay back on being a total asshole okay?
Edited by icecreamtester on 22-08-2008 23:10
issoisso wrote:
Also, about the bikes themselves, mechanically, I know jack squat. I know from experience where I'm supposed to push with my feet
Tsk, tsk, partial knowledge you have.
As for Landis... Using testosterone would have been the act of a despaired man. The probability to get caught is quite huge...
Still, he seemed that agressive on that stage, that attack, etc. then again when he crossed the line. If a guy was to attack like hell all stage long (or almost) to gain a whole lot of time, if I was an evil soigneur, what would I advise him to take ? Testosterone. Either it works and he gets away with the Tour de France, either he loses or gets caught, anyway he had lost the Tour de France the day before.
Then what did tests show ? Positive under some criterias, negative against some others... That doesn't make sense at first sight. Neither for a man who would have taken testosterone only, neither for a man who wouldn't have taken any. What would tests results give if the rider had taken testosterone plus products supposed to hide it ? I'm not such a good scientist, but I guess something like Landis tests results would make sense there...
As for the lab who didn't follow Wada's rules in their urge for Summer holidays, of course it's a shame. Yet, even if the same persons carried the samples all day long, shook them up and down, etc. as long as she wouldn't add somebody else's urine filled with testosterone in it, how in hell would the sample test positive for testosterone ? It's a matter of form and substance here. Landis wins on the form as the lab didn't follow the rules, but loses in substance as testosterone was found. What do we (cycling fans) want to know ? "Should Landis be condamned ?" or "Did Landis cheat ?". I don't mind the answer to the first question, the second makes a lot of sense to me, and the answer is yes.
And if it wasn't for testosterone, what else did he take ? His wattages are blatant (though unofficial) evidence that he cheated, that year and the years before.
Edited by Aquarius on 22-08-2008 23:24
Levi4life wrote:
I have his book which about growing up, riding domestically, Racing for Mercury, Discovery and phonak. There isn't a mention of his case until the tour 2006. After that there are several chapters devoted to his experience post tour and another filled with SCIENTIFIC PROOF, that his tests were skewed. Yes he does claim innocence but he backs it up. The age old adage 'Never judge a book by its cover' is never more prevalent than you comment above doddy
Levi4life wrote:
I have his book which about growing up, riding domestically, Racing for Mercury, Discovery and phonak. There isn't a mention of his case until the tour 2006. After that there are several chapters devoted to his experience post tour and another filled with SCIENTIFIC PROOF, that his tests were skewed. Yes he does claim innocence but he backs it up. The age old adage 'Never judge a book by its cover' is never more prevalent than you comment above doddy
Levi4life wrote:
I have his book which about growing up, riding domestically, Racing for Mercury, Discovery and phonak. There isn't a mention of his case until the tour 2006. After that there are several chapters devoted to his experience post tour and another filled with SCIENTIFIC PROOF, that his tests were skewed. Yes he does claim innocence but he backs it up. The age old adage 'Never judge a book by its cover' is never more prevalent than you comment above doddy
then what other conclusions would you draw. Then the caption he also puts.
You are still judgeing a book by its cover. I get the distinct impression that Doddy would see a black man on the street and imediatley turn and run the opposite direction for fear of being mugged or raped in the ass.
icecreamtester wrote:
Whoa, check this out, found his myspace, https://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?...D=44627374 Look at his age and then his picture, and then his posts about traveling with Rock Racing,
I'm sure there's a perfectly good explanation for this but its funnier to laugh at it without one.
What the hell are you talking about. There is a picture of me, my headline and my mood and a sumo wrestler getting his belly slappedEdited by Levi4life on 23-08-2008 00:28
Levi4life wrote:
I have his book which about growing up, riding domestically, Racing for Mercury, Discovery and phonak. There isn't a mention of his case until the tour 2006. After that there are several chapters devoted to his experience post tour and another filled with SCIENTIFIC PROOF, that his tests were skewed. Yes he does claim innocence but he backs it up. The age old adage 'Never judge a book by its cover' is never more prevalent than you comment above doddy
then what other conclusions would you draw. Then the caption he also puts.
You are still judgeing a book by its cover. I get the distinct impression that Doddy would see a black man on the street and imediatley turn and run the opposite direction for fear of being mugged or raped in the ass.
icecreamtester wrote:
Whoa, check this out, found his myspace, https://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?...D=44627374 Look at his age and then his picture, and then his posts about traveling with Rock Racing,
I'm sure there's a perfectly good explanation for this but its funnier to laugh at it without one.
What the hell are you talking about. There is a picture of me, my headline and my mood.
The age is 17, it's just to me you don't look 17, and I don't know too many 17 year old's that are traveling journalists,
But like I said I'm sure theres an explanation for the age thing
What the hell are you talking about. There is a picture of me, my headline and my mood and a sumo wrestler getting his belly slapped
