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TdF'13 Stage 18 - Gap to Alpe-d'Huez (July 18)
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| Sankt Croix |
Posted on 18-07-2013 16:52
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kubys wrote:
Who made that tactics for Saxo? It was totally useless and crazy, I wouldn't be surprised if it was Tinkov's work.
Of course it wasn't him.
Sky was too strong today for that tactic to work and it didn't help when Movistar started pulling on the descent. But credit for trying something.
Edited by Sankt Croix on 18-07-2013 16:53
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 18-07-2013 16:53
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CountArach wrote:
I choose to see some hope in that. |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 18-07-2013 16:54
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CountArach wrote:
Dan Martin rolled in 25 minutes down.
I guess he really meant it when he said that he didn't care about the GC. I call him to win on Saturday.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 18-07-2013 16:54
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@ianrussell - yeah definitely, I took that as a good sign.
Also Quintana's power output was higher than the 6.00W/kg quoted earlier because that was based on a different weight.
Edited by CountArach on 18-07-2013 16:54
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 18-07-2013 16:54
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lol just 20 secs penalty for cheat Froome.exe youre having a laugh. |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 18-07-2013 16:55
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
CountArach wrote:
Dan Martin rolled in 25 minutes down.
I guess he really meant it when he said that he didn't care about the GC. I call him to win on Saturday.
Saturday? The last MTF in TdF usually is won by a GC-contender. Wouldnt be surprised if Katusha, Movistar and maybe even Sky will control the break |
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| kubys |
Posted on 18-07-2013 16:56
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Sankt Croix wrote:
kubys wrote:
Who made that tactics for Saxo? It was totally useless and crazy, I wouldn't be surprised if it was Tinkov's work.
Of course it wasn't.
Sky was too strong today for that tactic to work and it didn't help when Movistar started pulling on the descent. But credit for trying something.
I don't really think that Sky was strong at all, they have done most of the work, but breakaway looked stronger than them at first ascent of Alpe d'Huez. If Movistar, Saxo, Katusha pull some effort there, it will be again only about Froome with Porte from Sky.
Btw: the Tinkov reference was kinda sarcastic.
Edited by kubys on 18-07-2013 16:58
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Posted on 18-07-2013 16:56
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
lol just 20 secs penalty for cheat Froome.exe youre having a laugh.
Porte actually, not Froome. Porte took gels from the car, not Froome. |
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| Elton |
Posted on 18-07-2013 16:56
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
lol just 20 secs penalty for cheat Froome.exe youre having a laugh.
What? Lifetime ban for eating a snack? |
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 18-07-2013 16:58
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Elton wrote:
Kirchen_75 wrote:
lol just 20 secs penalty for cheat Froome.exe youre having a laugh.
What? Lifetime ban for eating a snack?
Had he not eaten it he would have lost 2 minutes more. Easily |
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 18-07-2013 16:59
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What a stage! Huge heartbreak for the Americans with TVG looking like he'd win, but he completely blew up, and a great win for the French now with Riblon, and props to him, the battle for the stage win was exciting.
As for the GC men, what a day. First I thought Froome would demolish everyone, then Quintana slowly got up to him, and eventually a bigger group came back together. Froome actually had a bad day, and Quintana and Purito took advantage of that, and took a minute by my calculations, which might add some intrigue into the final mountain stages if this can be replicated by Quintana over the coming days, but I doubt that.
Damn does Richie Porte annoy me though. He looks like he knows he shouldn't be better than every other climber in the Tour, and just has that evil kind of grin about him. Plus, breaking the rules, getting food or water on 2 climbs now.
And Valverde did a good ride, caught Froome at the end, and Contador probably shouldn't have attacked on the descent, but good effort anyway as it made it exciting.
2x Alpe d'Huez gets a good review from me, this was a great stage 
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| Chons07 |
Posted on 18-07-2013 17:01
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
Elton wrote:
Kirchen_75 wrote:
lol just 20 secs penalty for cheat Froome.exe youre having a laugh.
What? Lifetime ban for eating a snack?
Had he not eaten it he would have lost 2 minutes more. Easily
He looked panicked almost. The rules won't allow for taking more than 20s, but they should take it into account.
Any chance ASO takes a look at the rules for next year? |
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| BritPCMFan |
Posted on 18-07-2013 17:01
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
Elton wrote:
Kirchen_75 wrote:
lol just 20 secs penalty for cheat Froome.exe youre having a laugh.
What? Lifetime ban for eating a snack?
Had he not eaten it he would have lost 2 minutes more. Easily
If you want to see races decided on who runs out of food first, then ban all re-feeding throughout a stage and make riders carry anything they want to use throughout the stage (something I actually wouldn't object to). |
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| Sankt Croix |
Posted on 18-07-2013 17:02
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kubys wrote:
Sankt Croix wrote:
kubys wrote:
Who made that tactics for Saxo? It was totally useless and crazy, I wouldn't be surprised if it was Tinkov's work.
Of course it wasn't.
Sky was too strong today for that tactic to work and it didn't help when Movistar started pulling on the descent. But credit for trying something.
I don't really think that Sky was strong at all, they have done most of the work, but breakaway looked stronger than them at first ascent of Alpe d'Huez. If Movistar, Saxo, Katusha pull some effort there, it will be again only about Froome with Porte from Sky.
Btw: the Tinkov reference was kinda sarcastic.
Sky obviously had no interest in the breakway. When Roche and Paulinho attack they pulled them in easily and with help from Movistar the last Saxo attack was pulled back also. Sky had one of their better days today and did what they had to do.
Yeah, of course they could do that, but Katusha and Movistar unfortunately have no interest in beating Froome in the GC anymore.
BTW: I know, but you can never be sure, can you. |
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 18-07-2013 17:08
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CountArach wrote:
@ianrussell - yeah definitely, I took that as a good sign.
Also Quintana's power output was higher than the 6.00W/kg quoted earlier because that was based on a different weight.
I'm not an expert by any means but I think the the advantage of being lighter going uphill means that, roughly speaking, the W/Kg figure is balanced out by a a heavier rider carrying up more mass. Please correct me if I'm wrong as it wouldn't be the first or last time
Certainly I'd trust Vetoo to provide the most accurate method in due course though.
Excert from a recent Science of Sport piece:
...mass matters in mountains. Climbers don't want to carry weight, because at the same power output (say, 400W - follow the blue line up) the estimated time is around 1 min faster for the 64kg rider. That's why relative power output matters - with some fineprint, it's the power output produced per kilogram that tells in the mountains. That 400W performance corresponds to 6.25 W/kg for the 64kg rider, whereas it's only 5.7 W/kg for the 70kg rider.
In order for the 70kg rider to match the 64kg, he'd need a similar relative power output (6.25 W/kg), which corresponds to around 435 W.
Edited by ianrussell on 18-07-2013 17:11
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| jph27 |
Posted on 18-07-2013 17:14
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I missed out a bit there. Hope Contador can come back though. |
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 18-07-2013 17:21
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Lol Movistar is one bad team when it comes to tactics...
Contador tried but failed, I don't like him so good .
Good for Rodriguez making such a comeback! Let's hope for us Dutch people that Mollema and Ten Dam can hang on for a top 10 in the GC, 3 weeks is too long for them to keep a high level, hopefully they'll improve next year. |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 18-07-2013 17:30
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TimoCycling wrote:
Lol Movistar is one bad team when it comes to tactics...
What exactly do you think they should've done differently?
To me, it looks like the stage played out incredibly well for them.
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 18-07-2013 17:32
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
Lol Movistar is one bad team when it comes to tactics...
What exactly do you think they should've done differently?
To me, it looks like the stage played out incredibly well for them.
Well when they rode on the flat is was clearly pointless, as the win was clearly out of reach and it looked to me like they were going to try and get a win for Quintana. Also they helped the yellow jersey when Contador and Kreuziger tried to escape. They should've let Froome and his team do the work. |
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| Roman |
Posted on 18-07-2013 17:32
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It's good that I didn't have time to watch this stage, as I would be really angry with the way like Kreuziger had to work for Contador once again.......
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