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| Addy291 |
Posted on 16-11-2007 16:41
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Exactly. England have been awful since he took charge, and they were bad enough before
You cannot be the manager of a big nation and not qualify above Croatia and Russia for the Euro's
I have no clue who would want to be the manager next though. Big Sam was wanting it before but now he's at Newcastle...
Maybe Pearce will get promoted from U-21 coach, i hope so. I loved him at Man City, plus then we can chant things to do with "phsyco"
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Posted on 16-11-2007 16:47
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I always wanted Pearce from the start - I believe he's the most passionate manager out there, and you need that for the England job.
Or bring back Terry Venables, who only ever lost 1 game - which is the only England football match I've ever seem 
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Posted on 16-11-2007 16:57
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Pearce definatley has the passion, and i agree with you, that's what england need. An ex-England player said that the current team lack passion and belief, Pearce would sort that out. There has never been a team led by Pearce, that lacked passion.
I think he should be contracted as soon as we fail to qualify, and even if we do qualify, after the Euro's we should hire him.
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Posted on 16-11-2007 17:29
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I think you overrate the english national team, they aren't that good. I mean you need to have a better right-back than Gary Neville to win the World Cup. Englands team isn't even close to the class of for example Germany or Portugal. All your players are highly over-rated and can't keep the same pace as other players. Rooney is one of the most over-rated players in the world and the same with Lampard. Both don't have the quality for a World cup. Lampard's to slow, and Rooney to aggressive. So you should be happy with the job Svennis did. He did an extraodnary job with a quite bad national team. |
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 16-11-2007 17:48
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Who cares about right-backs
anyway we have Richards, who is quite a good right-back actually, even though his best position is centre-back.
And actually what the hell are you talking about? We never said anything about the world cup, we are complaining that we aren't going to get qualified for the European Championships. I know we are definatley good enough to qualify for the Euro's. No-one said anything even related to the World Cup
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| samtheman |
Posted on 16-11-2007 17:54
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I think it's a bit harsh to say that England isn't as good as Germany and Portugal. We could definitely use a Lampard or a Terry
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| JustinWK |
Posted on 16-11-2007 18:06
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lol, Portugal and Germany arent really the best examples as they also have some major flaws in their squad
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| Crommy |
Posted on 16-11-2007 18:17
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We're not that bad - yes, some players are overrated, but overall we're quite good.
Except we have no consistent and world class goal scorer. Owen is still living off that goal he scored against Argentina in 1998, and now he's lost the pace and slight physique which made him so dangerous, Crouch is 6'7 yet I've still not seen him win a header when he's been challenged, Heskey should never have won an England cap, and everyone else has failed when playing for England.
That's why we're not so good. Our defence is world class, our midfield is strong, but our GK and strikers just aren't good enough
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 16-11-2007 18:24
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Overall, we have one of the best midfield's in the world, 2 great centre-backs and some great talent coming through. We just don't gel as a team.
I don't see why Bent is completley ignored, Defoe is never given a chance, Johnson is always played right-midfield
Owen is getting better now after his injury, Crouch is, in my opinion, absolutley awful, other than his technique. Rooney is in bad form, Heskey is a donkey. Ashley Cole is a great left-back but always injured. Micah Richards is awesome and needs to play every match for us.
SWP is very good, and slightly under-rated i think. Joe Cole thinks he's Brazilian but overall is good. Lampard and Gerrard don't work well togethor, but are great individually. John Terry, if he doesn't play, England might as well not turn up.
my brief summary (i can do a long one if need be)
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| samtheman |
Posted on 16-11-2007 18:27
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SWP?
our team works very well together
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| JustinWK |
Posted on 16-11-2007 18:37
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Sean Wright Phillips is SWP me thinks
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| issoisso |
Posted on 16-11-2007 18:38
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why does a manager's job rest on whether or not you qualify? if Russia screw up, is it McLaren's merit? of course not. he should be sacked regardless.
Zimao91 wrote:
I think you overrate the english national team, they aren't that good. I mean you need to have a better right-back than Gary Neville to win the World Cup. Englands team isn't even close to the class of for example Germany or Portugal. All your players are highly over-rated and can't keep the same pace as other players. Rooney is one of the most over-rated players in the world and the same with Lampard. Both don't have the quality for a World cup. Lampard's to slow, and Rooney to aggressive. So you should be happy with the job Svennis did. He did an extraodnary job with a quite bad national team.
Gary Neville is quite good, actually. he isn't flashy. and that is a plus in his position. Rooney is a brilliant player. Lampard is good. in both cases, not because of what they do individually but how they work with teammates. they move extremely well without the ball. and I agree that Sven did a good job with a team that is quite simply not up to the task.
Addy291 wrote:
Who cares about right-backs
please tell me you didn't mean that
JustinWK wrote:
lol, Portugal and Germany arent really the best examples as they also have some major flaws in their squad
every single national team does 
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Except we have no consistent and world class goal scorer. Owen is still living off that goal he scored against Argentina in 1998, and now he's lost the pace and slight physique which made him so dangerous
that's definitely a problem, but not your biggest one.
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, Crouch is 6'7 yet I've still not seen him win a header when he's been challenged,
and because he's tall he's supposed to be an aerial threat? those are not his skills. he is a good player, but those are not his skills. because a player is short, do you expect him to be agile? yes. but don't crucify him just because he isn't.
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That's why we're not so good. Our defence is world class, our midfield is strong, but our GK and strikers just aren't good enough
sorry, but your entire problem lies with midfield.
by far and away, a huge margin, the most important player in ANY team is the defensive midfielder. name one national team that won anything without a class defensive midfielder?
don't bother. there aren't any.
a defensive midfielder should break up play and make a short pass to a teammate. tactically he is the focal point of the team. where he goes will determine the whole defensive positioning of the whole team. there is no player that even comes close to being as important.
and who do England have?
Owen Hargreaves. cute and cuddly, but not efficient. he's a good player, but he will never be the player you need. he doesn't have the steel, ball winning ability, and above all tactical acumen that is needed in a defensive midfielder. he'd do a great transition man, the guy who isn't defensive or attacking, but both. the guy who helps both the defensive midfielder and the attackers.
but England already have Gerrard and Nolan who are both much better. and they have no defensive midfielder up to the task. and as such, don't count on winning anything.
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Posted on 16-11-2007 18:40
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Well everyone stfu because tommorow Holland will crush Luxemburg and everyone will see what a great coach Marco Van Basten is omfg he is a mastermind
yea right Who will he use as a right winger this time...maybe Heitinga?
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Posted on 16-11-2007 18:42
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JustinWK wrote:
Well everyone stfu because tommorow Holland will crush Luxemburg and everyone will see what a great coach Marco Van Basten is omfg he is a mastermind
yea right Who will he use as a right winger this time...maybe Heitinga?
again, remember Koeman at Ajax? suddenly Zlatan was a right-winger, Mido a defensive midfielder, and gigantic 1,75m van der Vaart was a lone striker
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 16-11-2007 18:43
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No i didn't really mean "who cares about right-backs" I myself, am a right-back
I did actually say that even if we qualify McLaren should be sacked Except it should be after the Euro's because I think it would be stupid to go into a big competition with a completley new manager. He would need a few games before, not just straight into the championships.
And why are people saying "don't count on winning anything" we never said anything about winning anything, we know that at this moment in time we don't have the quality to win anything. We were talking about qualifying not winning
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| issoisso |
Posted on 16-11-2007 18:46
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Addy291 wrote:
No i didn't really mean "who cares about right-backs" I myself, am a right-back
really? you must suck then
Addy291 wrote:
I did actually say that even if we qualify McLaren should be sacked Except it should be after the Euro's because I think it would be stupid to go into a big competition with a completley new manager. He would need a few games before, not just straight into the championships.
And why are people saying "don't count on winning anything" we never said anything about winning anything, we know that at this moment in time we don't have the quality to win anything. We were talking about qualifying not winning
why is it always about you, egocentric little prat?
seriously though, just because I said something, doesn't mean it (whatever "it" is) was in response to someone
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 16-11-2007 18:49
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Your comment was
why does a manager's job rest on whether or not you qualify? if Russia screw up, is it McLaren's merit? of course not. he should be sacked regardless.
I was just pointing out that it had been said before that he should be sacked regardless. If it wasn't posted by me i would've still mentioned it
you're just lucky i don't know what "egocentric" means
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Posted on 16-11-2007 18:52
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Addy291 wrote:
you're just lucky i don't know what "egocentric" means
well, there comes a time in every little boy's life when....in short, I don't know.
I never really got England's choice. why him? and why the fixation with Scolari as replacement? although I'd love to see Scolari coach england....or any other team far far away from here
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 16-11-2007 19:00
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I think really the fact that someone wanted to be England coach got the board all excited and they started chasing him. Until he decided he didn't want to go, then they had to go with an English manager
Foreign managers are allways first choice above English managers. If Rijkaard (as crap as he is) offered to be England manager he would allways get the job ahead of Sam Allardyce or someone similar. Stupid way of organising it really
If it is an England team, i would like to see that everyone involved was English, same with other countries. With Portugal i would hope everyone would be Portuguese, etc.
Obviously that can never happen, because there will allways be better players/staff on offer from different countries, and every team/nation wants to have the best chance of winning they can. I'd rather have a complete English staff and play averagely, than a Dutch staff and do really well.
I'd just rather keep it in the country than get people from outside really. I know many people would say the opposite, but i don't
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Posted on 16-11-2007 21:12
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issoisso wrote:
Crommy wrote:
, Crouch is 6'7 yet I've still not seen him win a header when he's been challenged,
and because he's tall he's supposed to be an aerial threat? those are not his skills. he is a good player, but those are not his skills. because a player is short, do you expect him to be agile? yes. but don't crucify him just because he isn't.
Nope - because he's tall, he should be winning the headers where all that counts is how high you are off the ground - given he's 7 inches taller than everyone else, the fact he has some strange ability to not be able to to get higher is just ridiculous.
I'm talking about balls which are sent up long, where he is in front of the defender, the defender jumps, Crouch doesn't, and the ball just slightly goes over Crouch's head and the defender heads it. The number of times stuff like that happens is just ridiculous
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