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| Masterblaster01 |
Posted on 11-10-2013 21:33
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Most of the time i just keep in the pack with 50 effort without any problems.. Only when the pack starts chasing i slowly raise the effort to 60-65-70-75. Works fine for me 
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| fronaldo |
Posted on 11-10-2013 23:17
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Masterblaster01 wrote:
Most of the time i just keep in the pack with 50 effort without any problems.. Only when the pack starts chasing i slowly raise the effort to 60-65-70-75. Works fine for me
U mean dot right..not relay Masterblaster01..am i right?
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| nutter453 |
Posted on 12-10-2013 09:40
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Just played stage 3 of the Giro (The one with 2 cat2 mountains in the last 80km) and managed to win it with Nizzolo. Was mighty surprised when the GC guys attacked and then started to play cat and mouse. Decided there was a slight chance I could catch them, they only had 1:30 on the peleton, so I put the hammer down and then sprinted past them in the final 500m. (Playing on normal by the way) Quite happy as Nizzolo is now in Pink and has Sprinters and Young rider jerseys. Long way still to go mind, but that makes a successful Giro |
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| itisix |
Posted on 12-10-2013 09:43
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nutter453 wrote:
Just played stage 3 of the Giro (The one with 2 cat2 mountains in the last 80km) and managed to win it with Nizzolo. Was mighty surprised when the GC guys attacked and then started to play cat and mouse. Decided there was a slight chance I could catch them, they only had 1:30 on the peleton, so I put the hammer down and then sprinted past them in the final 500m. (Playing on normal by the way) Quite happy as Nizzolo is now in Pink and has Sprinters and Young rider jerseys. Long way still to go mind, but that makes a successful Giro
One thing I find about GT's is that if you have a decent squad, you don't really need to attack. The GC guys will attack too soon and too often and most of the times all you need to do is either reel them back or set a high tempo at the front to drop them. And with a decent squad you can even leave your captain out of most of this work and save him for a final dash up one of the big climbs where he can make big time in no time at all.
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| Masterblaster01 |
Posted on 12-10-2013 11:17
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itisix wrote:
nutter453 wrote:
Just played stage 3 of the Giro (The one with 2 cat2 mountains in the last 80km) and managed to win it with Nizzolo. Was mighty surprised when the GC guys attacked and then started to play cat and mouse. Decided there was a slight chance I could catch them, they only had 1:30 on the peleton, so I put the hammer down and then sprinted past them in the final 500m. (Playing on normal by the way) Quite happy as Nizzolo is now in Pink and has Sprinters and Young rider jerseys. Long way still to go mind, but that makes a successful Giro
One thing I find about GT's is that if you have a decent squad, you don't really need to attack. The GC guys will attack too soon and too often and most of the times all you need to do is either reel them back or set a high tempo at the front to drop them. And with a decent squad you can even leave your captain out of most of this work and save him for a final dash up one of the big climbs where he can make big time in no time at all.
And they seem to be able to keep attacking, while my red bar is empty in no time when attacking... So i always set a high pace with my team and when the favorites attack i 'counter' by putting my leader at 85 dot. When they are back in the pack i let my team do the work again or i try to ride away at 80 dot.
fronaldo wrote:
Masterblaster01 wrote:
Most of the time i just keep in the pack with 50 effort without any problems.. Only when the pack starts chasing i slowly raise the effort to 60-65-70-75. Works fine for me
U mean dot right..not relay Masterblaster01..am i right? No, just maintain position...
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| fronaldo |
Posted on 12-10-2013 12:32
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Guys..i played 2nd last Tirreno stage (repeated hill) with flat finish..i manage to follow all GC riders but suddenly in last hill one of GC out jumped me before start of last hill and manage to win on breakaway..how can i do like that?sprint about 2-3 seconds then 65 dot or other way?Can someone gift tips and also how to win mountain stage |
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| Selwink |
Posted on 12-10-2013 12:39
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For mountain stages, you should protect your leader, then on the last climb use the dot to remain stable in front of the group, protected by 2nd best climber (max 80%). In the last 2-3kms switch to 85% and use your energy gel. If you remain fully filled in yellow&red, you should be able to win the sprint with relative ease, if you haven't already dropped the rest
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| Masterblaster01 |
Posted on 12-10-2013 12:49
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Well, i got one win in the TdF (Alphe d'Huez) with Hesjedal. Talansky came in second. I protected both of them and on the final climb i put both of them on dot 80. Talansky was supposed to be the protector of hesjedal, but he held up very well, so i kept them both on dot until the last 2 km. I say Hesjedal to follow Talansky who was still going, and when sprinting he launches Hesjedal, no-one had a chance on getting to them
It's probably a one in a million shot you can do that but still 
If you have 2 great climbers or 1 great and 1 good it's worth a shot. I didn't protect Hesjedal with Talansky because if you protect when the rider is on dot the protecter uses his energy in like no time..
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| fronaldo |
Posted on 12-10-2013 14:40
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Great tips..but how about hilly/mountain stage with sprint finish?Other GC fav jumped me before last hill and manage to win solo..How can i do like that Masterblaster?Attack and then dot 80%? |
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| nacho63 |
Posted on 12-10-2013 14:53
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If you though having to beat Martin a TT in real life is hard, try having Bob Jungles in your career mode with 85 TT and 84 Prologue |
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| Masterblaster01 |
Posted on 12-10-2013 14:59
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fronaldo wrote:
Great tips..but how about hilly/mountain stage with sprint finish?Other GC fav jumped me before last hill and manage to win solo..How can i do like that Masterblaster?Attack and then dot 80%? You don't have to attack. Just dot 80-85 and you should take the lead. When sprinting, just take a favorites wheel i guess, or keep pushing at 80-85 when you think the opposition is gonna crack (you see them swing their bikes). Try not to sprint immediatly, because that will cause you to run out of energy about 300 meters later, so stay on dot or in a wheel.
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| BritPCMFan |
Posted on 12-10-2013 18:55
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Masterblaster01 wrote:
fronaldo wrote:
Great tips..but how about hilly/mountain stage with sprint finish?Other GC fav jumped me before last hill and manage to win solo..How can i do like that Masterblaster?Attack and then dot 80%? You don't have to attack. Just dot 80-85 and you should take the lead. When sprinting, just take a favorites wheel i guess, or keep pushing at 80-85 when you think the opposition is gonna crack (you see them swing their bikes). Try not to sprint immediatly, because that will cause you to run out of energy about 300 meters later, so stay on dot or in a wheel.
I find putting in an attack is helpful on most the stages. The AI seems slightly better at sticking to wheels then in previous years (unless of course they all get attack happy earlier and you just dot all back and through them.)
To be honest though, any stage that has some decent climbing in, the main trick it wait for the attacks. Once the AI start attacking, they basically don't stop and will just totally empty themselves. Simple do like Sky, let the attacks go, stick to your pace, real them back in and leave them all for dead.
As for winning a small bunch sprint in those stages, I usually find you get alot of success by letting the first sprinter go and take the wheel of second guy to go for it. Generally he will get past the first guy and give you the perfect leadout. The other thing is that you nearly always want to be the lead guy going into the sprint if its uphill, because I find its very very very hard to keep the wheel of someone if they start sprinting when your behind them (even if you right behind them). If you can use the follow command your ok, but if not make sure your leading the pack as it will give you the time to pause and hit follow attack without having to chase the wheel back. |
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| fronaldo |
Posted on 12-10-2013 21:58
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Ok guys now i understand..if AI GC riders try to breakaway in my case sprint finish..i just can counter back by dot 80-85 before he start to get away right? |
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| BritPCMFan |
Posted on 12-10-2013 22:45
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fronaldo wrote:
Ok guys now i understand..if AI GC riders try to breakaway in my case sprint finish..i just can counter back by dot 80-85 before he start to get away right?
Generally yes. If you still have someone to protect for a bit, your laughing. Only time it wont work is if the other guy is just way stronger. But it really depends on distances and terrain and the riders involved. Sometimes you just cant catch someone if they go and are stronger.
Also, its not really that clear what your talking about tbh. Mountain/hill sprint covers alot of different sorts of finishes. You wont use the same tactic on a 15km decent to finish as 1k climb to finish. You'd do something different again if its a decent and then 3-4k of flat. |
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| fronaldo |
Posted on 13-10-2013 06:17
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BritPCMFan wrote:
fronaldo wrote:
Ok guys now i understand..if AI GC riders try to breakaway in my case sprint finish..i just can counter back by dot 80-85 before he start to get away right?
Generally yes. If you still have someone to protect for a bit, your laughing. Only time it wont work is if the other guy is just way stronger. But it really depends on distances and terrain and the riders involved. Sometimes you just cant catch someone if they go and are stronger.
Also, its not really that clear what your talking about tbh. Mountain/hill sprint covers alot of different sorts of finishes. You wont use the same tactic on a 15km decent to finish as 1k climb to finish. You'd do something different again if its a decent and then 3-4k of flat.
Actually my situation is in Tirreno 2nd last stage with i think about 2-3k flat finish |
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| itisix |
Posted on 13-10-2013 09:26
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hilly stages are trickier.
First, you need the right set of riders and always be on the alert as an attack may come at any time. I personally struggle the most at hilly stages.
I find that either setting a high tempo or keeping an eye and counter the favourites works best for me. I sometimes breakaway myself, but that requires perfect timing and a set of circumstances.
You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!
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| Masterblaster01 |
Posted on 13-10-2013 13:21
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itisix wrote:
hilly stages are trickier.
First, you need the right set of riders and always be on the alert as an attack may come at any time. I personally struggle the most at hilly stages.
I find that either setting a high tempo or keeping an eye and counter the favourites works best for me. I sometimes breakaway myself, but that requires perfect timing and a set of circumstances. Yeah, the hilly ones are the toughest. On a 15km climb you can keep your pace at 85 dot, but on a 3km hill just before the finish that is not gonna cut it. I noticed myself you have to be more aggressive, or indeed make a high pace so the attacks will not be so explosive.
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| atlanta |
Posted on 13-10-2013 19:19
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Just become WC with Valverde, after basing his whole season round it he finished 3rd in Vuelta, WC and 2nd in Lombardia to the Tourminator Sagan. Next year its all for the TDF for Valverde as we aim to win yellow in the rainbow jersey. Im torn with what to do though the race has 100+ kms of ITT, 2 of which are 50+ and 1 7km prologue. So it will be tough. Last year my results in GT's where, Giro- Costa 3rd(2 stages), TDF- Quintana 3rd(3 stages AX-3, Ventoux, Semnoz and White), La Vuelta- Quintana 2nd(2 stages), Valverde 3rd(2 stages). I would have been 2nd in the TDF but i upped Contador to 1 below Froome. So what you reckon take Quintana to the Giro?, be quite unique to win all 3 youth jerseys? and then go the TDF?, to help Valverde. Valverde wont have many peaks i want him 100%, his stats cant get better now, 79/81. |
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| Masterblaster01 |
Posted on 13-10-2013 19:42
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I think one of the time trials is a team time trial isn't it? But still, i would not take Quintana to all 3 tours. Especially when he's going for the GC in one of them. You could take Quintana to the giro and make him assist Valverde in the tour and maybe go for a stage win from a breakaway or something. 3 tours.. That's 63 racing days without any races to build up some form. That's A LOT
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 13-10-2013 19:43
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Agreed 
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