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Worlds 2009 - Mendrisio
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| Roman |
Posted on 28-09-2009 23:23
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Wow great profile and great race. Slightly late but - Thank you Mendrisio!
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| ursul |
Posted on 28-09-2009 23:24
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I hope that i t will be like that next year!
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| issoisso |
Posted on 28-09-2009 23:35
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mattiasgt wrote:
ruben wrote:
They didn't fade before Arvesen, for the second time, they faded at the same time as Arvesen, on the first climb of the last lap when Cancellara accelerated and when 9 men were left.
And I know Arvesen finished 1 group in front of Hoogerland, but who cares after you get dropped by the best 9 anyway?
Hoogerland even attacked with Kolobnev and Rodriguez in the penultimate lap. So what you were saying is simply a lie.
I've heard that Hoogerland is called Jonny Testosterony in the bunch. Nice nickname..
Since we're into nicknames:
Back when the media didn't care about doping so riders could say whatever they wanted (first half of the 90s), Armstrong wasn't called "Lance" or "Armstrong" by anyone in the pack. Everyone called him "cortisone neck".
Edited by issoisso on 28-09-2009 23:36
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"I love him, I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense" - Bradley Wiggins on Lance Armstrong
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| ruben |
Posted on 28-09-2009 23:57
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@mattiasgt, that's because he has naturally high testosteron, they revoked his ban when he was 18 because it was proven he has naturally high testosterone, body made... |
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 29-09-2009 00:02
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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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BS - we all know about "naturally high" values. The fact they are so over natural that its a joke.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 29-09-2009 00:03
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issoisso wrote:
mattiasgt wrote:
ruben wrote:
They didn't fade before Arvesen, for the second time, they faded at the same time as Arvesen, on the first climb of the last lap when Cancellara accelerated and when 9 men were left.
And I know Arvesen finished 1 group in front of Hoogerland, but who cares after you get dropped by the best 9 anyway?
Hoogerland even attacked with Kolobnev and Rodriguez in the penultimate lap. So what you were saying is simply a lie.
I've heard that Hoogerland is called Jonny Testosterony in the bunch. Nice nickname..
Since we're into nicknames:
Back when the media didn't care about doping so riders could say whatever they wanted (first half of the 90s), Armstrong wasn't called "Lance" or "Armstrong" by anyone in the pack. Everyone called him "cortisone neck".
If you look a cycling nicknames..then specialy dopers are blessed with many several and funny names. |
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| Ildabaoth |
Posted on 29-09-2009 00:38
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ruben wrote:
@mattiasgt, that's because he has naturally high testosteron, they revoked his ban when he was 18 because it was proven he has naturally high testosterone, body made...
The same thing Santiago Botero said about his testosterone levels:
"Botero cleared
The suspicions that cyclist Santiago Botero was on the juice have been allayed by Spanish Doctor, Eufemiano Fuentes, who demonstrated that the rider’s high testosterone levels are natural in origin"
The same thing Landaluze said, after his 2005 Dauphine's victory (ban revoked, by the way).
https://www.bikera...luze-10471
Both of them, with levels about 8ng/ml, for normal values about 0,2-1,2ng/ml
Or a masterpiece from Landis: ""We will explain to the world why this is not a doping case but a natural occurrence,"
The funny thing is that a 4:1 ratio testosterone-epotestosterone is the limit, so you can take a fair amount of testosterone and not being found guilty.
So "natural values" of more than 11 times the average (0,7ng/ml)? Yeah, right...
Disclaimer: The above post reflects just the personal opinion of the author and not a fact. But if you read it, you must accept it as the ultimate truth.
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| ruben |
Posted on 29-09-2009 00:40
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No you cannot take a fair amount of testosterone and not being found guilty, because synthetic/non natural testosterone WILL be found using current techniques. |
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Posted on 29-09-2009 00:50
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ruben wrote:
No you cannot take a fair amount of testosterone and not being found guilty, because synthetic/non natural testosterone WILL be found using current techniques.
As far as I know, current isotope ratio mass techniques are just appropiate if the testosterone was administered via intramuscular injection, but you can easily avoid detection if you take the testosterone orally. But, again, I may be mistaken.
Disclaimer: The above post reflects just the personal opinion of the author and not a fact. But if you read it, you must accept it as the ultimate truth.
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| ursul |
Posted on 29-09-2009 02:10
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Ildabaoth wrote:
ruben wrote:
No you cannot take a fair amount of testosterone and not being found guilty, because synthetic/non natural testosterone WILL be found using current techniques.
As far as I know, current isotope ratio mass techniques are just appropiate if the testosterone was administered via intramuscular injection, but you can easily avoid detection if you take the testosterone orally. But, again, I may be mistaken.
Who will use testo now? it's so easy to detect it!
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| Shifty |
Posted on 29-09-2009 02:59
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Guido Mukk wrote:
issoisso wrote:
mattiasgt wrote:
ruben wrote:
They didn't fade before Arvesen, for the second time, they faded at the same time as Arvesen, on the first climb of the last lap when Cancellara accelerated and when 9 men were left.
And I know Arvesen finished 1 group in front of Hoogerland, but who cares after you get dropped by the best 9 anyway?
Hoogerland even attacked with Kolobnev and Rodriguez in the penultimate lap. So what you were saying is simply a lie.
I've heard that Hoogerland is called Jonny Testosterony in the bunch. Nice nickname..
Since we're into nicknames:
Back when the media didn't care about doping so riders could say whatever they wanted (first half of the 90s), Armstrong wasn't called "Lance" or "Armstrong" by anyone in the pack. Everyone called him "cortisone neck".
If you look a cycling nicknames..then specialy dopers are blessed with many several and funny names.
I'd always heard "Pharmstrong"
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 29-09-2009 08:05
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ursul wrote:
I hope that i t will be like that next year!
The route has already been published - it's pretty much dead-flat. Same in 2011, by the way (in Copenhagen).
(Of course, the profiles do give you the impression that there's plenty of hills - don't be fooled by that  ) |
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| Wiggo |
Posted on 29-09-2009 08:12
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Guido Mukk wrote:
issoisso wrote:
mattiasgt wrote:
ruben wrote:
They didn't fade before Arvesen, for the second time, they faded at the same time as Arvesen, on the first climb of the last lap when Cancellara accelerated and when 9 men were left.
And I know Arvesen finished 1 group in front of Hoogerland, but who cares after you get dropped by the best 9 anyway?
Hoogerland even attacked with Kolobnev and Rodriguez in the penultimate lap. So what you were saying is simply a lie.
I've heard that Hoogerland is called Jonny Testosterony in the bunch. Nice nickname..
Since we're into nicknames:
Back when the media didn't care about doping so riders could say whatever they wanted (first half of the 90s), Armstrong wasn't called "Lance" or "Armstrong" by anyone in the pack. Everyone called him "cortisone neck".
If you look a cycling nicknames..then specialy dopers are blessed with many several and funny names.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 29-09-2009 08:57
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ruben wrote:
No you cannot take a fair amount of testosterone and not being found guilty, because synthetic/non natural testosterone WILL be found using current techniques.
Yes you can because the sample is only tested for synthetic testosterone if the testosterone/epitestosterone ratio is above 4/1. You have to go way overboard with your doping to get above that.
Experts are constantly criticising the WADA for not lowering the bar to 1.5/1 which would be fair.
The preceding post is ISSO 9001 certified
"I love him, I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense" - Bradley Wiggins on Lance Armstrong
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 29-09-2009 20:32
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Interesting article in Het Nieuwsblad reveals that all the Australian riders at the WC voted for riding for Gerrans instead of Evans (except Evans, of course, who voted for himself). |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 29-09-2009 20:43
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CrueTrue wrote:
Interesting article in Het Nieuwsblad reveals that all the Australian riders at the WC voted for riding for Gerrans instead of Evans (except Evans, of course, who voted for himself).
Logic, keeping in mind that they wanted to win rather than the silver medal 
Jokes aside, that's what I'd have voted before the worlds. |
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 29-09-2009 20:45
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Yeah Cadel was "free to do whatever" and Gerrans was the protected rider.
Oh and i've not heard it but apparently Hugh Porter from the BBC called Evans as Gerrans until the final km
There's no point slapping a schleck - Sean Kelly on "Who needs a slap"
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 29-09-2009 20:47
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doddy13 wrote:
Yeah Cadel was "free to do whatever" and Gerrans was the protected rider.
Oh and i've not heard it but apparently Hugh Porter from the BBC called Evans as Gerrans until the final km
Porter can be bad but he wasnt that bad.
I can check it though
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| stuartmcstuart |
Posted on 30-09-2009 19:36
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SportingNonsense wrote:
doddy13 wrote:
Yeah Cadel was "free to do whatever" and Gerrans was the protected rider.
Oh and i've not heard it but apparently Hugh Porter from the BBC called Evans as Gerrans until the final km
Porter can be bad but he wasnt that bad.
I can check it though
He did during the initial break from the lead group with Rodriguez & Kolobnev, but soon realised his mistake. Only called him Gerrans once or twice as far as I remember, too!
Can't be too harsh on Porter though, he's more of a track guy to my mind at least |
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| Wiggo |
Posted on 30-09-2009 19:41
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stuartmcstuart wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
doddy13 wrote:
Yeah Cadel was "free to do whatever" and Gerrans was the protected rider.
Oh and i've not heard it but apparently Hugh Porter from the BBC called Evans as Gerrans until the final km
Porter can be bad but he wasnt that bad.
I can check it though
He did during the initial break from the lead group with Rodriguez & Kolobnev, but soon realised his mistake. Only called him Gerrans once or twice as far as I remember, too!
Can't be too harsh on Porter though, he's more of a track guy to my mind at least
He's awful when commentating on the track too! |
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