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Tour de France 11 Stage 18: Pinerolo > Galibier Serre Chavalier 200km
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 21-07-2011 21:39
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Riis123 wrote:
Haha Ruben. You're so funny.
I meant this years edition of the Tour de France. I guess people with brains would had known that. But
Ofcourse, when you have no brain it's hard to think.
You're such a stereotyp of a blind fan. Sorry, but you are. Kind of ignorant. In fact, very ignorant. And an idiot too.
Let me try to rewrite this just to see if it fits... here goes:
Haha Riis123. You're so funny.
I guess people with brains would had known that. But
Ofcourse, when you have no brain it's hard to think.
You're such a stereotyp of a blind fan. Sorry, but you are. Kind of ignorant. In fact, very ignorant. And an idiot too. |
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| Roman |
Posted on 21-07-2011 21:50
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Ennyzor wrote:
I dont see why a contender for the podium, should also be a contender for the overall victory. S. Sanchez is also a podium contender (well not anymore, but at the start of the tour), but I dont believe anyone ever saw him as a contender for the victory.
At the start of the Tour was Tony Martin podium contender.. And for example, I saw Frank as a contender for the victory.  It's only matter of opinion, in the end..
alexkr00 wrote:
But how the hell is what Frank did great performance? He just sit there at the back of the group for the entire climb and followed the others until the last slopes and then attacked a tired Cadel Evans and got a few seconds.
And what he had to do? He could attack but oh, his brother was in front.. He looked great entire final climb. But he could attack only when he wouldn't ride against his brother. He did everything fine..
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Any Schleck : "everything went as planned in the morning".
Any chance he'll ever behave less robotic ?
For the first time in this year, I have to say - Leopard did good tactics meeting tonight. They planned it in the morning as Andy will attack to force chase BMC, Europcar and Saxo him down and then should attacked Frank, as their true leader.. They almost never change their tactics in the race, as I remember.. So what said he wrong? He talks truth..
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 21-07-2011 21:55
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Roman wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
Any Schleck : "everything went as planned in the morning".
Any chance he'll ever behave less robotic ?
For the first time in this year, I have to say - Leopard did good tactics meeting tonight. They planned it in the morning as Andy will attack to force chase BMC, Europcar and Saxo him down and then should attacked Frank, as their true leader.. They almost never change their tactics in the race, as I remember.. So what said he wrong? He talks truth..
I'm not saying he shouldn't have attacked or should have attacked at another moment.
I'm just bored by the impression he is giving. He acts like a robot or a computer.
Imagine that for some reason, he couldn't have attacked in that place, he'd be just clueless of what to do instead. Imagine another favourite had attacked before, he wouldn't move or try anything, but he'd still attack at that special point, etc.
Last year he could have crushed Contador on the first mountain finish, but he didn't do it. [He] hadn't planned to attack. *Yawn.* |
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 21-07-2011 22:07
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Roman wrote:
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No. In 2009 Wiggins looked like a possible podium contender but he was never gonna win that.
Sorry, but you really can't compare Wiggins and Frank Schleck in Grand Tours. 
I wasn't though (maybe why you took your original comments out?). What I was saying was that they were both podium contenders, but not contenders for the overall.
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| Roman |
Posted on 21-07-2011 22:08
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Aquarius wrote:
I'm not saying he shouldn't have attacked or should have attacked at another moment.
I'm just bored by the impression he is giving. He acts like a robot or a computer.
Imagine that for some reason, he couldn't have attacked in that place, he'd be just clueless of what to do instead. Imagine another favourite had attacked before, he wouldn't move or try anything, but he'd still attack at that special point, etc.
Last year he could have crushed Contador on the first mountain finish, but he didn't do it. [He] hadn't planned to attack. *Yawn.*
Oh, now I got it.. Yeah, I have to agree. It is quite like you are saying. Schlecks have a plan from the morning all the time and if it doesn't works they have problems what to do, so then, they mostly fail, like on Plateau de Beille this year. And last year, yeah, he could maybe.
For example, when you look on Cancellara on this year's Roubaix or Flanders, I think it's quite same like Schlecks are acting all the time. So it's probably due 'robotic' tactics in team Leopard. And then Fabian can talk maybe a little bit better to medias. But when I remember on what Cancellara was saying during classics, he is same like Schlecks.. Leopard is robotic team.
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| Roman |
Posted on 21-07-2011 22:18
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
I wasn't though (maybe why you took your original comments out?). What I was saying was that they were both podium contenders, but not contenders for the overall.
I am taking it out because it is better to read it then IMO.
Anyway, I really can't agree with that in that way too. For me, podium contenders are still having a chance to win overall a GC. Probably nobody will agree with me, but when you are looking on it in that way then riders like Basso (after his suspension) or Sastre couldn't be never ever GC contenders. And still, they won a GC. Or then in that way, riders like Gesink or Scarponi would be never ever no GC contenders, never ever threats for GC and in that way they would still have no chance to winning overall..
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 21-07-2011 22:21
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Roman wrote:
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
I wasn't though (maybe why you took your original comments out?). What I was saying was that they were both podium contenders, but not contenders for the overall.
I am taking it out because it is better to read it then IMO.
Anyway, I really can't agree with that in that way too. For me, podium contenders are still having a chance to win overall a GC. Probably nobody will agree with me, but when you are looking on it in that way then riders like Basso (after his suspension) or Sastre couldn't be never ever GC contenders. And still, they won a GC. Or then in that way, riders like Gesink or Scarponi would be never ever no GC contenders, never ever threats for GC and in that way they would still have no chance to winning overall..
I thought that Basso was an overall contender for that Giro? and loads of people were talking about Sastre as a likely winner for that Tour. CycleSport predicted him as their winner. So I don't really get what you mean. Let's agree to disagree.
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| BouBBox |
Posted on 21-07-2011 22:31
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This will probably be the first Tour since 1999 with 0 french victory, what a fail... Even if most french teams have a rider going for GC or white jersey, it is still a very bad result. At least we have Europcar to save this situation ^^
(Damn you Norwegians for taking breakaway-stage victorys )
Team Europcar !!
RIP Wouter
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| hillis91 |
Posted on 21-07-2011 22:46
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BouBBox wrote:
This will probably be the first Tour since 1999 with 0 french victory, what a fail... Even if most french teams have a rider going for GC or white jersey, it is still a very bad result. At least we have Europcar to save this situation ^^
(Damn you Norwegians for taking breakaway-stage victorys )
Haha Well it's been a lot of chances for the frenchmens to take one. They just fail it seems... But Voeckler fighting for the yellow the he has, isn't a bad results anyways 
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 21-07-2011 22:47
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Roman wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
But how the hell is what Frank did great performance? He just sit there at the back of the group for the entire climb and followed the others until the last slopes and then attacked a tired Cadel Evans and got a few seconds.
And what he had to do? He could attack but oh, his brother was in front.. He looked great entire final climb. But he could attack only when he wouldn't ride against his brother. He did everything fine..
I didn't say that he didn't do everything fine or that he had to attack. I just said that his performance wasn't that amazing and he was able to gain the time that he did only because he could sit back during the entire climb.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 21-07-2011 22:52
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Fränk perfomance was actualy good today..he was able to follow Evans tempo all the way. Nobody worked on that group except Evans..how many managed to keep up? |
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| ruben |
Posted on 21-07-2011 23:08
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For me before this Tour (and actually before every tour), there is only 2 possible winners if they don't have bad luck:
Andy Schleck and Alberto Contador.
The rest, Gesink, F.Schleck, all others, are podium contenders, but not for the win (unless ofcourse, both A.Schleck and Contador somehow fail)
Only exception this year seems to be Evans, who is riding amazingly strong and is now replacing Contador as contender for the win |
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| AndySchleck |
Posted on 21-07-2011 23:24
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I agree, Evans has really surprised me, and a win wouldn't be undeserved for him. Andy Schleck has been boring this tour, he didnt take any risks(before today) and is whining about everything he doesen't like. I have lost some of my respect towards him, but I still hope he can win
I am not afraid of an army of lions led by a sheep; I am afraid of an army of sheep led by a lion.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 22-07-2011 07:26
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Congratulations to Andy, i dont like him but he has it int he legs.
On the other hand he would never succeed imo, if there is still healthy VdB,Gesink,Vino,Wiggo because now there are 2-3 teams only who could make the pace (CAS looked like he will die on that run down to Galibier,same for Euskatel helpers and Moinard for Cadel).
But biggest disapointment for me is that race jury has no balls. There is a time limit and everybody knows that. And then there is that shitty exception.HTC were surely calculating with that,those -20 points is ridiculous, they stole the jersey from Rojas.
When there is some dangerous downhill people are argumenting that it is part of the racing and true champion must handle that, shoulnt be making the time limit part of the job of green jersey winner? For me the riders like Zabel, Hushovd or Jalabert are the deserved winners of green jersey, not the man who is racing only 500metres in a stage. He is clearly the fastest on the world, but Rojas deserves the jersey.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 22-07-2011 08:05
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AndySchleck wrote:
I agree, Evans has really surprised me, and a win wouldn't be undeserved for him. Andy Schleck has been boring this tour, he didnt take any risks(before today) and is whining about everything he doesen't like. I have lost some of my respect towards him, but I still hope he can win
And what risks did Evans take?
Schleck has been very whiny, but at least he showed some cojones yesterday. |
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| Zanci93 |
Posted on 22-07-2011 08:11
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CrueTrue wrote:
AndySchleck wrote:
I agree, Evans has really surprised me, and a win wouldn't be undeserved for him. Andy Schleck has been boring this tour, he didnt take any risks(before today) and is whining about everything he doesen't like. I have lost some of my respect towards him, but I still hope he can win
And what risks did Evans take?
Schleck has been very whiny, but at least he showed some cojones yesterday.
Evans is normally a rider who doesn't take much risk. I wouldn't say he is a wheelsucker but I think he could do more. Yesterday both A.Schleck and Evans peformed great. And for me there is still a good chance for Cadel when he today arrives with A.Schleck. It's the first Tour in the last years where Cadel didn't have any bad day. But he has to survive today |
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| spudde |
Posted on 22-07-2011 08:12
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CrueTrue wrote:
AndySchleck wrote:
I agree, Evans has really surprised me, and a win wouldn't be undeserved for him. Andy Schleck has been boring this tour, he didnt take any risks(before today) and is whining about everything he doesen't like. I have lost some of my respect towards him, but I still hope he can win
And what risks did Evans take?
Schleck has been very whiny, but at least he showed some cojones yesterday.
Well Evans did take up all the responsibility of pulling the main group even though there were tens of riders there still. In that case it was imo the only right thing to do as if he hadn't done that I suspect A. Schleck would have won the stage by a lot more. But still it was a risk as if Contador or someone else would have had the legs he could have killed himself first and they would have just attacked later on. |
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Posted on 22-07-2011 08:13
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Zanci93 wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
AndySchleck wrote:
I agree, Evans has really surprised me, and a win wouldn't be undeserved for him. Andy Schleck has been boring this tour, he didnt take any risks(before today) and is whining about everything he doesen't like. I have lost some of my respect towards him, but I still hope he can win
And what risks did Evans take?
Schleck has been very whiny, but at least he showed some cojones yesterday.
Evans is normally a rider who doesn't take much risk. I wouldn't say he is a wheelsucker but I think he could do more. Yesterday both A.Schleck and Evans peformed great. And for me there is still a good chance for Cadel when he today arrives with A.Schleck. It's the first Tour in the last years where Cadel didn't have any bad day. But he has to survive today
There is still time left for the bad day in the ITT where everyone expects him to win the TdF |
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Posted on 22-07-2011 08:26
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spudde wrote:
There is still time left for the bad day in the ITT where everyone expects him to win the TdF
it will be the tour of 2008 all over again
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| DJSirMatthew |
Posted on 22-07-2011 09:52
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CrueTrue wrote:
And what risks did Evans take?
Schleck has been very whiny, but at least he showed some cojones yesterday.
Lol, Evans showed as much cojones as Andy in my opinion. To pull a group of 10 riders for +15km with a chance to be blown away by all with 3k to go orso shows enough courage imo.
I do think Leopards' tactic was to destroy Evans today and I'm sure Frank will try to put as much time as possible to him today on Alpe D'Huez. With an attack of Andy with 1k orso to go so also gets another 30" in. Luckily for Cadel it's a short ride so most of his teammates should be with him for the 50k descent to Alpe D'huez.
And I have a lot of respect for Evans btw. He's a less skilled climber (just look at his body build) but still manages to keep up with the best. His strength was (not sure if it's still so) TT's and that's the card he plays. IF he wins TdF this year, there can't be no discussion to it that it would be deserved as remember this years TdF has very few TT kms!
But I understand most people like to see the winner of TdF attack on the mountains, 'cause well, seeing someone "attack" in a TT isn't so visually appealing is it? |
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