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| Bikex |
Posted on 28-05-2014 10:26
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Luis Leon Sanchez wrote:
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Why the disrespect for Merckx?
How at all was kubys comment disrespectful?
All he was saying is the guys nickname which is given to him because some say he may be the next Merckx. He rode very well yesterday and I think a Top 5 from him is quite likely and he is an outside contender for the GC podium which would be huge for him.
I think nobody does. 
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| Ton1Mart1n |
Posted on 28-05-2014 10:47
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Bikex wrote:
Luis Leon Sanchez wrote:
MartijnVDD wrote:
kubys wrote:
Keldermerckx ( )
Why the disrespect for Merckx?
How at all was kubys comment disrespectful?
All he was saying is the guys nickname which is given to him because some say he may be the next Merckx. He rode very well yesterday and I think a Top 5 from him is quite likely and he is an outside contender for the GC podium which would be huge for him.
I think nobody does.
I don't think MartijnVDD was serious.
If Kelderman is the new Merckx, Quintana is the new Pantani. Lol his already better :b
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| Strydz |
Posted on 28-05-2014 11:00
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Ian Butler wrote:
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I lost all the respect for OPQS, some people just cant loose...
I'm with you.
IF Quintana really "broke the rules", and passed a flag he wasn't allowed too. The organisation of the Giro would've fined him or given him a time penalty.
Didn't happen.
Lefevre should stop whining
Have to agree with this, if he had passed a red flag then there would of been a penalty. I also think if the race had made the call then why would have they not pulled them up after the descent? It all looks to me as if some of the teams made the mistake not the race organises, why wouldn't a DS make a call and confirm that it was neutralised? If they didn't then they made a huge mistake and shown up as not doing there job. Looks like sour grapes to me
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| anderspcm |
Posted on 28-05-2014 11:04
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After the stage, he said he wasn't aware of any neutralization, he could barely see anything, but he knew the motorcycles would signal the dangerous turns with red flags.
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| Selwink |
Posted on 28-05-2014 11:05
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Take a guess at what's happening here.
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 28-05-2014 11:07
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"Look! The fuck I give about your decision is way over there!"
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| Strydz |
Posted on 28-05-2014 11:08
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Selwink wrote:
Take a guess at what's happening here.
Oh Oleg you could of at least got changed
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 28-05-2014 11:21
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It's the race managements job to clearly communicate with the teams. If there is any ambiguity in the messages they put out then they've failed. They need to state the policy, say it again and then ensure everyone gets it.
I think the race management meant to convey that only the initial part of the descent would be led by red flag motos so that riders could clearly see the route down (due to limited visibility right at the top). With translations or wishful thinking there is lot of scope for people to misconstrue this unless it is stated very, very clearly several times.
Now that said if there is any doubt at all teams should be cautious and ask questions without making any assumptions. I certainly wouldn't be stopping for a hot drink and slipping on a smoking jacket while warming my toes at the fireplace at the top!
Bottom line either way, great stage and Quintana so strong on the climb anyway.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 28-05-2014 11:32
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Not sure it has been mentioned, but from: https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lefev...alia-farce
Riders were crashing and I heard that Petacchi hit a car on the descent. He’s 40 year’s old and he’s had enough. We only see the break but we don’t see the misery at the back.
Since some were claiming yesterday that it wasnt dangerous because nobody crashed! I did wonder about the reasons for why some of the DNFs occured!
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 28-05-2014 11:34
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Good summary of things on https://inrng.com/2014/05/the-fog-of-w...lvio-giro/
Concludes as follows:
A misty mountain top and the fog of war. If the first 1,500m of the descent were to be ridden behind the red flag it seems the communication over the radio was ambiguous and the Italian audio isn’t specific with the terms nor the duration. Some teams took it as a message that the race was being neutralised when apparently the flags came out for safety reasons.
But did a rider from any group attempt to pass a red flag? If so that’s a potential breach of the rules but not specific and with it there’s uncertainty and confusion, claim and counter-claim. The debate will run and run because this is a murky topic with no hard rules to apply. |
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| Smoku |
Posted on 28-05-2014 11:35
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Lasson from yesterday:
If anything is posted on Twitter, but not on Facebook, it's invalid |
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 28-05-2014 11:37
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Smoku wrote:
Lasson from yesterday:
If anything is posted on Twitter, but not on Facebook, it's invalid
...and if there's any hint of a grey area keep a very close eye on Pierre Rolland  |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 28-05-2014 11:50
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I hate all this bitching in the peloton. If you don't feel safe don't ride, the only safe thing is to get off your bike and stop. However if another rider is ok to race let them! Just because you don't want to should not stop other riders. Everyone knew that stage was going to be wet and cold before hand, and it was nothing worse than expected if you just looked at a weather forecast. Get your information straight before hand so you can be prepared. Half of the problem seems to be teams not being ready for the weather conditions, which is just a basic mistake at any level of cycling.
Even a normal Sunday rider would know the Stelvio is going to be cold, so takes some extra layers and preparation. Having to literally stop to get ready is something that should not happen. If you then get dropped it's your own f*cking fault.
A lot of the confusion seemed to come because of what people were saying on Twitter, or through non-official channels. It is unbelievable that professionals would do such a thing. Imagine a football team stopping because a fan in the crowd blew a whistle, or an F1 race stopping because a fan was holding a checkered flag in the crowd. The it becomes nice an easy, did riders go past the Red Flag bike in front of their group? If yes they must be penalized, if no there is no problems.
Riders are there to race. RCS should know what makes a good route, but apparently doesn't. The Stelvio is always like this in May, so just don't f*cking use it! Italy has enough other useable mountains, so why do we have these issues of route every single year it seems. I would love to see some modern riders tackle classic routes from like the 30's, then they would know what a hard race is.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 28-05-2014 11:56
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SportingNonsense wrote:
Not sure it has been mentioned, but from: https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lefev...alia-farce
Riders were crashing and I heard that Petacchi hit a car on the descent. He’s 40 year’s old and he’s had enough. We only see the break but we don’t see the misery at the back.
Since some were claiming yesterday that it wasnt dangerous because nobody crashed! I did wonder about the reasons for why some of the DNFs occured!
Every descend is dangerous when wet and badly visible and i think Petacchi being 40years old should know that Stelvio in May is not known for its flowers and hot temperatures. 
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 28-05-2014 11:58
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TheManxMissile wrote:
The it becomes nice an easy, did riders go past the Red Flag bike in front of their group? If yes they must be penalized, if no there is no problems.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 28-05-2014 11:58
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Imagine a football team stopping because a fan in the crowd blew a whistle,
I believe this happened several times in history of football
But i agree with you and that was basically what i was saying during the stage. When there is just one rider that wants to go, let them go all and choose the level of risk.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 28-05-2014 12:01
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admirschleck wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
The it becomes nice an easy, did riders go past the Red Flag bike in front of their group? If yes they must be penalized, if no there is no problems.
Are we sure that red flag there ment ?no you cant pass me"? If yes and ariders were aware of it, they should be stopped or penalized. But it could also mean only "beware, descend is dangerous, so you better stay behind me, but it is your own risk if you want go".
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 28-05-2014 12:05
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I honestly have no idea. I just found the photo on Twitter and decided that it might be the good response on what TMM wrote.
To be fair, I think Uran and the guys behind should've followed Quintana (if they had energy, ofc). In that case, all of them would break the "rules" and the stage would be neutralized. This way, it's much more controversial and it's hard to find the correct decision. I'm on Quintana's (Hesjedal's and Rolland's) side.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 28-05-2014 12:08
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According the RCS Press Release it was "You cannot pass me", and that applied to the first 1500m of the descent. Is that image beyond that point?
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 28-05-2014 12:16
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Given the facts that top of Stelvio is from map profile 70,3kms into the race, which means 68,7kms from the finishing line and that pic says 63,6, this is already 5 kms later!
Edit: But who knows if he passed that earlier and probably several times? I dont care much,as he was not penalized immediately, which means OK from the race officials...
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 28-05-2014 12:17
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