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General Career Discussion 2013
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| atlanta |
Posted on 08-10-2013 17:06
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Bart DeClerq(however u spell it) won from the break. It was a late decision to do the Giro with Costa but i thought why take 3 to the Tour and he took his classic form i.e good rythm into the Giro won 2 hilly stages in first week Rojas won a stage from a break ahead of Sella so it was a good Giro.
I edited becuase the French DB is good but not great imo for stats, and Kelderman would have had 77 maximum in mountain so i gave him 7 potential and put a maximum mountain on 80(his hill can reach 77 so 80/77 is a perfect Menchov, Kloeden type from the past) and he hopefully will turn into a ITT/Climber he as 81potential for ITT. I often edit the potential as Pinot could only reach 78 aswell and i dont like carear's like that. I dropped Quintana down to 82 maximum aswell as he could have reched 83, CF is 84 potential in mountain lmao. So Pinot, Kelderman, Rolland should have good GC days aswell in future 4th is great for 77/74 so i think Kelderman will buck the dutch trend lol and stay GOOD. |
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| atlanta |
Posted on 08-10-2013 17:12
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nacho63 wrote:
Wow those are some massive time gaps, what year is that
2013 and Hard.difficulty Its always the same in my carears on 13 dont know about you guys but many times they sit up, no joke Nibali in first week was 4 minutes down becuase he was not moving out of main pack i restarted cuz it was not realistic. This game give massive gaps, same for 1 week stage races 8th down to 10th are usually like 5 minutes off. Remember also Nibali is easily best guy here so quite normal imo. |
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| Kaimelar |
Posted on 08-10-2013 19:04
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Did the Giro-Tour double with Van Garderen, Giro win was thanks to a lucky break where he gained 15 minutes lead on others and managed to hold off Nibali by 7 seconds at the end. Tour was time-trial heavy with low amount of mountains, Froome cracked on one of the mountain stages where Garderen could gain 1 minute on him, he lost time on Froome on every other mountain stage but thanks to his great form and good time-trial skills he was able beat Froome on the 20th stage and win the Tour by 14 seconds
(Froome had 83 MO, Garderen 79 MO, extreme difficulty)
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 08-10-2013 19:07
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Wow, that's great, doing a Giro-Tour double with a 79MO is certainly impressive!
Feyenoord(football) and Kelderman fanboy
PCMdaily Awards: 12x nomination, 9x runner-up, 0x win.
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| atlanta |
Posted on 09-10-2013 14:50
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Im currently in the Tour just about to do the ITT. Quintana is the leader i decided last minute to not even bring Valverde becuase he will have better chance of Vuelta/WC. As next year i want a WC challenging for GT.
Only thing is i dont know what to do i think with Quintana i will edit so he leaves as he will dominate in few yrs and it will be great challenge to beat him and Froome. Thing is Costa is out of contract aswell and i like him but think i will let him go.
I need a sprinter i am in talks with Demare. I also have already signed Daniel Navarro for Cofidis as a helper also joining is I.Izagiurre, JJ Lobato(who will be good helper for Demare in sprints if he joins) and Amets Txurruka aswell as W.Barguill(who is 1 of my top 5 fav riders and it will be cool if he challenges for top 5's in the GT's). Do you think i should keep 1 of Costa or Quintana. Or sign Daniel Moreno and LLS as replacement it will be more challenging with only 1 real good GT leader, and Valverde is nowhere near the best he is top 5. Also Pozzato and Boom are on transfer list but Boom is too good Pozzato is 76 cobbles do you think he would be a good 1 yr signing untill some young Cobbles guy turns up?. |
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| Masterblaster01 |
Posted on 09-10-2013 14:57
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Kaimelar wrote:
Did the Giro-Tour double with Van Garderen, Giro win was thanks to a lucky break where he gained 15 minutes lead on others and managed to hold off Nibali by 7 seconds at the end. Tour was time-trial heavy with low amount of mountains, Froome cracked on one of the mountain stages where Garderen could gain 1 minute on him, he lost time on Froome on every other mountain stage but thanks to his great form and good time-trial skills he was able beat Froome on the 20th stage and win the Tour by 14 seconds
(Froome had 83 MO, Garderen 79 MO, extreme difficulty)
Really impressive!
Got a question...
Is it somehow possible to simulate faster that the game does? I just started a new carreer with a custom continental team, but i cant ride on many races... And i just absolutely HATE that it takes so long for a day to pass.. So if i don't have any races for like a month i'm just sitting in front of my computer for half an hour just doing absolutely nothing 
Edited by Masterblaster01 on 09-10-2013 14:57
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| cio93 |
Posted on 09-10-2013 16:56
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Masterblaster01 wrote:
Got a question...
Is it somehow possible to simulate faster that the game does? I just started a new carreer with a custom continental team, but i cant ride on many races... And i just absolutely HATE that it takes so long for a day to pass.. So if i don't have any races for like a month i'm just sitting in front of my computer for half an hour just doing absolutely nothing
Ehm...well, you could simulate until the day you have the next race and just browse the internet or play another game? Remember there are mails you have to answer immediately 1.3., 15.3., 15.4., 1.5., 15.7., 30.8. and sometime before the WC.
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| Masterblaster01 |
Posted on 09-10-2013 18:18
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cio93 wrote:
Masterblaster01 wrote:
Got a question...
Is it somehow possible to simulate faster that the game does? I just started a new carreer with a custom continental team, but i cant ride on many races... And i just absolutely HATE that it takes so long for a day to pass.. So if i don't have any races for like a month i'm just sitting in front of my computer for half an hour just doing absolutely nothing
Ehm...well, you could simulate until the day you have the next race and just browse the internet or play another game? Remember there are mails you have to answer immediately 1.3., 15.3., 15.4., 1.5., 15.7., 30.8. and sometime before the WC.
And the inbetween mails like "Some stupid rider is sick" 
Well.. If there are no other solutions that'll have to do i guess..
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| nacho63 |
Posted on 09-10-2013 18:47
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Mission accomplished 
My first grand tour win on career mode ever, in fact I only won my first WT stage race with Kennaugh at this years Tour de Pologne
Peter Kennaugh follows Chris Froome's path by winning the GC, Points and Mountain classifications 
Went into the last stage pooing bricks, Moreno was +23 seconds and Schleck + 50 seconds in third. Had to get 2 points from 2 sprints in the last stage to get points jersey bit harsh on Moreno though
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| Masterblaster01 |
Posted on 09-10-2013 19:56
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Nicely done!
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| Shonak |
Posted on 10-10-2013 02:09
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itisix wrote:BTW, another dumb game thing.
About 3 days before the giro was over, I clicked renew on Dombrowski contract and he asked for 62k as an absolute leader. About 2 weeks after the giro I did the same and he was asking for 32k as a protected rider (after winning the giro)
Yeah, that happened to me too. I mean, like riders have succees and 1-2 months later they demand less money. I think maybe that this has something to do with their form/fitness, like they demand less because they are not feeling so good? Another explanation (I only play PCM 2012, so no idea how PCM 2013 works in its fine mechanics): Winning the Giro made Joe just superhappy and since he's so happy in your team he wants to stay and the game demands less money for him?
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| itisix |
Posted on 10-10-2013 08:20
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I think it's results. I have this lesser rider that is about to end contract. He asked for 2k something. Since he won a stage in the giro and the climber's jersey, he asks for 11k.... as if
Besides, I had already decided to cut him way before.
You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!
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| fronaldo |
Posted on 10-10-2013 10:17
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Guys how can i catch breakaway?dot or using relay?in my game 3 times breakaway win sprint and my riders catching like hell and still can't catch them |
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| roturn |
Posted on 10-10-2013 10:45
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Put a few of your helpers on short relay and high percentages.
In PCM13 sometimes you need to go very high like 87-92% or even more.
It`s easier if you have 1-2 riders already working in the beginning on 65-70%. So the gap won`t become too big. |
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| ShortsNL |
Posted on 10-10-2013 10:47
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Simplest solution: send one of your riders in the breakaway, so you don't have to work on catching them.
Otherwise, it means having to relay with 3+ riders at the front of the peloton at 70+ effort for a long time...
Even for the sake of conserving energy (not to mention a chance of winning in the break), I just always send a guy in the break.
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| fronaldo |
Posted on 10-10-2013 11:10
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roturn wrote:
Put a few of your helpers on short relay and high percentages.
In PCM13 sometimes you need to go very high like 87-92% or even more.
It`s easier if you have 1-2 riders already working in the beginning on 65-70%. So the gap won`t become too big.
You mean at beginning 1-2 riders relay about 65-70% and at the later part 2-3 riders relay at 87-92% right?
And what is the best time to start relay and catching up? |
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| itisix |
Posted on 10-10-2013 11:24
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If a break has a good advantage, make sure you start early. I use a very loose rule of thumb that is 1 minute for every 10 kms. But you want to make sure you don't stretch too close to the finish, so if a break has 8 minutes, start at around 100 or 90 kms at the very most. Earlier if possible. That way you also don't need to overcook your riders.
Also, relay is the best way to chase, using 2 or 3 riders to allow time to rest a bit. You can successfully catch a break with only one rider, but it's harder.
Another thing is to have decent helpers. A guy with no green skills will not do it for big races. TTers are very good at chasing in the flat and can relay for a long time. Make sure to have some riders with decent flat.
Chasing in hills and/or mountains is about the same, but time can be made up in much less distance.
Sometimes (quite a lot, depends on races) if you start to chase early, the break will be not so big and another team will pick up on it and you can relax a bit.
As for effort, just start with 65% from afar and keep looking at the time gaps and adjust if needed. It's normal if you have to push harder as the race progresses or, the other way around as the break riders tire.
One very important thing it to always check out what riders have a go and decide if it's worth chasing. If you want to have a go at the final sprint, then you are "joined to another object by an inclined plane wrapped helically around an axis" and need to chase every time.
Edited by itisix on 10-10-2013 11:32
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| fronaldo |
Posted on 10-10-2013 11:36
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itisix wrote:
If a break has a good advantage, make sure you start early. I use a very loose rule of thumb that is 1 minute for every 10 kms. But you want to make sure you don't stretch too close to the finish, so if a break has 8 minutes, start at around 100 or 90 kms at the very most. Earlier if possible. That way you also don't need to overcook your riders.
Also, relay is the best way to chase, using 2 or 3 riders to allow time to rest a bit. You can successfully catch a break with only one rider, but it's harder.
Another thing is to have decent helpers. A guy with no green skills will not do it for big races. TTers are very good at chasing in the flat and can relay for a long time. Make sure to have some riders with decent flat.
Chasing in hills and/or mountains is about the same, but time can be made up in much less distance.
Sometimes (quite a lot, depends on races) if you start to chase early, the break will be not so big and another team will pick up on it and you can relax a bit.
As for effort, just start with 65% from afar and keep looking at the time gaps and adjust if needed. It's normal if you have to push harder as the race progresses or, the other way around as the break riders tire.
One very important thing it to always check out what riders have a go and decide if it's worth chasing. If you want to have a go at the final sprint, then you are "joined to another object by an inclined plane wrapped helically around an axis" and need to chase every time .
Ok..great tips..but what is the perfect percentage for relay?65-70%? |
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| itisix |
Posted on 10-10-2013 11:46
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There is no perfect percentage.
I usually start at around 65-70%, but will sometimes need to up the tempo (or lower it if I want the break caught just before the finish). You need to read the race and judge on that.
You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!
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| fronaldo |
Posted on 10-10-2013 11:56
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itisix wrote:
There is no perfect percentage.
I usually start at around 65-70%, but will sometimes need to up the tempo (or lower it if I want the break caught just before the finish). You need to read the race and judge on that.
Ok..i will try that..thanks |
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