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| mb2612 |
Posted on 18-06-2011 19:42
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In the last 40km if you fall/puncture/ get caught out then you may well lose time, that's tough luck, not bad sportsmanship
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| Zanci93 |
Posted on 18-06-2011 19:48
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That's cycling !!!! Not everything is pretictable. Todays stage was more exciting than expectet and the entire Tour de Suisse was great. We just can hope to see things like that at the Tour |
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| Roman |
Posted on 18-06-2011 19:48
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alexkr00 wrote:
Yep, no rules to wait for someone if they have a mechanical or fall..
Exactly, mechanicals and falls are part of this sport.
alexkr00 wrote:
..but if you don't wait for others stop shouting that you lost a TdF because of that, which you actually didn't to begin with.
Who is shouting the Tour was lost because of that, some fans or media?
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But then in the cobbled stage when again almost all the favorites were caught behind because of Schleck's crash, Cancellara started pushing harder and harder.
Yep, there was a split in the peloton, partly because of F Schleck's crash. I don't think Cancellara started pacing harder after that, he didn't pacing before that crash! And that fall was on the hardest pave of the stage. Contador was in the contact after the crash with Cancellara and Schleck in 15th or 20th position in the peloton, but he was dropped a kilometer or two after that with 20-25 other riders. The crash of F Schleck wasn't the biggest reason why most of the riders were dropped. Yeah, some riders definetly had problems because of that crash, but the bigger ratio hadn't. The biggest reason why most of the riders were dropped was the really high pacing of Cancellara IMO.
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| ruben |
Posted on 18-06-2011 19:50
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| Roman |
Posted on 18-06-2011 19:53
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mb2612 wrote:
In the last 40km if you fall/puncture/ get caught out then you may well lose time, that's tough luck, not bad sportsmanship
Exactly, you have to count with that and the race won't stop because of problems of someone. There is maybe the time for that in Grand Tour or in first part of the race/stages, but definetly not in the finale of one-week stage - I don't even think that somebody would waiting in the finale in a stage of GT, Contador didn't waited in last year's TDF too and I think it's ok.
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| Zanci93 |
Posted on 18-06-2011 19:54
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 When Mollema is that aggressive. We can expect someting from him in the time trail tomorrow! But the devil horns aren't really aerodynamic ........ |
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| Wilier |
Posted on 18-06-2011 20:00
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Zanci93 wrote:
Yes but at this point you can see that everybody has his favourite team/rider. I don't think that only Leopard Trek has his own opinion of sportsmanship. It's also human that you try to justify every situation as it's good for you. I'm simply annoyed by all this "against Leopard Trek" !!
Yeah that's true. If this happened to Wiggins the brits would be angry and if it were Kreuziger the czechs would be angry to name a few examples. 
Everyone has an opinion, which is, most of the time, based on national bias.
mb2612 wrote:
In the last 40km if you fall/puncture/ get caught out then you may well lose time, that's tough luck, not bad sportsmanship
I think it's both.
Roman wrote:
The crash of F Schleck wasn't the biggest reason why most of the riders were dropped.
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| Roman |
Posted on 18-06-2011 20:06
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Wilier wrote:
To me, A.Schleck was without a doubt already Saxo Bank leader to begin with, so why would they stop? I highly doubt that they knew right away that F.Schleck would be unable to continue. Furthermore, F.Schleck's crash conveniently held up all other GC contenders and I'm pretty sure A.Schleck knew that damn well. It seems to me that they think sportsmanship is only required when Leopard (which contains about half of Saxo Bank of last year) can profit from it.
But, like I said in my previous post. There are no rules on 'sportmanship' so I'm not really angry at Leopard. Only very dissapointed for Mollema and I dislike Leopard/Schleck's hypocrisy when it comes to sportmanship.
I think everybody knew that A Schleck was main gun of Saxo Bank, but F Schleck definetly was second leader of Saxo Bank with maybe a chance for the 3rd place. And yes, why would they stopped for their's 2nd leader who maybe can't continue when they already paced like hell for their 1st leader who was in great position in that time.
I don't think that Leopard is less fair play than other teams. Garmin paced like a hell only with the goal: Hincapie mustn't get the yellow jersey and I would definetly find way more of a examples of that. I think every team tries to get maximum of any race. There is a fair play in cycling, but nobody will pass you a win, except of the circumstances when the leader of the race passes the win to the other riders, but that's case law of cycling.
And I am sad for Mollema too, he had really bad luck today. And really, really it isn't like: Hey, see Mollema is dropping! We have to pacing more!
No, really, Leopard and Garmin paced before that and they paced after that in the same way. There was clearly no chance he would get back by himself or with Breschel to the front.
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| Wilier |
Posted on 18-06-2011 20:10
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This discussion could go on forever, but it's not going to change what happened today. I do know that if Andy were to drop his chain again during some TdF stage, Rabobank will go full gas.
Edit: I also forgot to mention that I already passed 1000 posts on this site. It reminds that I'm already on this site for a couple of years. 
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| Zanci93 |
Posted on 18-06-2011 20:20
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Yes but Andy should have learned after the second drop of chain at this years tour de suisse (in the prolog) !!!!!! I dont want to see this again he was pretty helpless in that situation ! |
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| Roman |
Posted on 18-06-2011 20:27
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Wilier wrote:
If this happened to Wiggins the brits would be angry and if it were Kreuziger the czechs would be angry to name a few examples.
Everyone has an opinion, which is, most of the time, based on national bias.
This. Everybody will see every thing in other look, I think it's well said.
Wilier wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
In the last 40km if you fall/puncture/ get caught out then you may well lose time, that's tough luck, not bad sportsmanship
I think it's both.
Well, I don't think so. If Stybar would dropped from the group today because he would get a puncture, most probably nobody except of me would complain of that. But today, it was Mollema, second rider overall and Dutch riders, so there is some hype because of that. That's all about that, like you said.
Wilier wrote:Roman wrote:
The crash of F Schleck wasn't the biggest reason why most of the riders were dropped.
I disagree. I still think Fränk's crash caused all the splits in the peloton.
I watched the replay of that today once again. I can't have other opinion about that.
Wilier wrote:
This discussion could go on forever, but it's not going to change what happened today.
Agree.
Wilier wrote:
I do know that if Andy were to drop his chain again during some TdF stage, Rabobank will go full gas.
Disagree. It will depend on the circumstances.
Wilier wrote:
I also forgot to mention that I already passed 1000 posts on this site. It reminds that I'm already on this site for a couple of years.
I have to say same thing. And I am proud of that. 
Zanci93:
Yes but Andy should have learned after the second drop of chain at this years tour de suisse (in the prolog) !!!!!! I dont want to see this again he was pretty helpless in that situation !
Calm down, buddy. I think because of what happened him once again in this year's TDS, I think his brother will teach him some things about that on theirs trainings before TDF.
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 18-06-2011 20:31
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Just seen the final sprint, and what a sprint it was from Sagan. Curious about what he can do in the Worlds... |
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| Jonathan |
Posted on 18-06-2011 22:29
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I'm angry at Leopard
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| Anonymer |
Posted on 18-06-2011 23:03
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Jonathan wrote:
I'm angry at Leopard
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Noone cares !!!!!!
Seriously, all the dutch guys here should at least try to be a bit more objectiv
And, if you didn't notice while complaining about alleged bad sportmansship, there's still 3 dutch/Rabobank riders in the top7 overall - that's huge |
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| DJP19 |
Posted on 19-06-2011 01:17
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Cancellara wins the TT, Cunego the overall with Levi second. |
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| Wilier |
Posted on 19-06-2011 11:05
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Anonymer wrote:
Jonathan wrote:
I'm angry at Leopard
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Noone cares !!!!!!
Seriously, all the dutch guys here should at least try to be a bit more objectiv
And, if you didn't notice while complaining about alleged bad sportmansship, there's still 3 dutch/Rabobank riders in the top7 overall - that's huge
It's very normal for people to stand up for their favourite riders, isn't it? And just because there are 3 dutch guys in the top 7, which is great, doesn't change the fact that what Leopard did isn't very nice.
It's easy to just say "all you dutch guys must be more objectiv". Just imagine if it happened to one of your favourite riders, then I'd like to see how you would react. Then you would know the feelings of most Dutch cyclingfans. Being objective is one of the hardest things to do, you know.
Edit: I seriously hope Mollema takes revenge and passes F.Schleck in GC, also staying in front of Fuglsang. But I'm afraid that's just wishful thinking.
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| lagetcher |
Posted on 19-06-2011 11:13
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Andy obviously thinks it fair to take maximum advantage of bad luck, as he's always said. Then again it's the Tour de Suisse so it doesn't count.
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| Jonathan |
Posted on 19-06-2011 11:27
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Netherlands is the new Norway |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 19-06-2011 11:48
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Rabobank has shared their thoughts now:
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/rabob...rtsmanlike
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| felix_29 |
Posted on 19-06-2011 12:12
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Leopard has some propaganda, too
https://www.leopar...ird-suisse
One can easily figute out that the truth is somewhere in between of those two reports...
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