Quite correct SotD. Thats why listening to any wattages can be misleading. Especially when some hefty bloke would put out over 500 watts on a climb, compared to a 50kg climber, who, if they put out over 350 might be considered to be a doper.
The watts that Wyman produced, probably goes on the usual basis of 70kg rider + bike weight. Which everyone seems to think is accurate and a logical way to read peoples powers. It's just not. But hey ho.
rjc_43 wrote:
Quite correct SotD. Thats why listening to any wattages can be misleading. Especially when some hefty bloke would put out over 500 watts on a climb, compared to a 50kg climber, who, if they put out over 350 might be considered to be a doper.
The watts that Wyman produced, probably goes on the usual basis of 70kg rider + bike weight. Which everyone seems to think is accurate and a logical way to read peoples powers. It's just not. But hey ho.
It gives a fairly accurate picture, the main reasons it can be wrong are if riders weight varies alot, which, given these guys are all climbers, is unlikely, or if the road surface is gravel or very poor which I don't think it was in this case. Anyway unless we have the ability to weigh the riders you can't tell much more.
As far as pulling is concerned it doesn't make much physical difference when you are climbing, the issue is more mental.
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rjc_43 wrote:
Quite correct SotD. Thats why listening to any wattages can be misleading. Especially when some hefty bloke would put out over 500 watts on a climb, compared to a 50kg climber, who, if they put out over 350 might be considered to be a doper.
The watts that Wyman produced, probably goes on the usual basis of 70kg rider + bike weight. Which everyone seems to think is accurate and a logical way to read peoples powers. It's just not. But hey ho.
Yeah sprry i should have said that... i just used Cyclismag's 70kg + 6kg weight rule.. sorry i should have said... i was only trying to give someone who asked an idea of what they were doing thats all...
Deda wrote:
from an amateur's point of wiew (read: my point of wiew) - with Tiralongo in good position on yesterdays stage, maybe Cunego would now want a nice GC?
In my oppinion no... only because he has been saying all season that he is aiming for the world champs.. and that he will pull out after 2weeks...
He was aiming for a stage win anyway... just because it came on a Mountain top finish shouldn't change his mind...
I just wanted to have an idea of the amount of power Cunego produced, and 423 is quite encouraging. (for a clean athlete).
Reading on the Lampre official website, Cunego said that if the favourites would've gone with him yesterday, when he attacked, then he would've abandoned the whole thing and save his energy for today's stage.
@Wyman
Thanks for the numbers. And, by the way, I think that if what Cunego did yesterday it's not a matter of luck/great day, and it's about form, he should be able to battle for the win in every mountain stage to come. And if, at the end of those two weeks, he would be, let's say, on the podium, I think he will not drop off. Podium in a GT it's not something he gets every year.
rovven7 wrote:
I just wanted to have an idea of the amount of power Cunego produced, and 423 is quite encouraging. (for a clean athlete).
Reading on the Lampre official website, Cunego said that if the favourites would've gone with him yesterday, when he attacked, then he would've abandoned the whole thing and save his energy for today's stage.
@Wyman
Thanks for the numbers. And, by the way, I think that if what Cunego did yesterday it's not a matter of luck/great day, and it's about form, he should be able to battle for the win in every mountain stage to come. And if, at the end of those two weeks, he would be, let's say, on the podium, I think he will not drop off. Podium in a GT it's not something he gets every year.
What do you think he prefers?, Worldchampion or a podium in the Vuelta, btw, Gesink will kick his as this week, he won't be on the podium
I'm just saying IF he will.
I think he would prefer the certainty. Pulling out from a Podium spot in a GT in order not to tire yourself in one more week of easy to medium stages just to be a little fresher at the start of one World Championship that's not that likely you'll win, it's not clever.
We'll see.. he also said yesterday that it changes nothing and the World champs are the priority... we'll see how he goes... but at the present time i don't think he will continue after the 3 hard mountain stages
I would like him to bu thats a different matter
rovven7 wrote:
I'm just saying IF he will.
I think he would prefer the certainty. Pulling out from a Podium spot in a GT in order not to tire yourself in one more week of easy to medium stages just to be a little fresher at the start of one World Championship that's not that likely you'll win, it's not clever.
I agree with you. A single day race is a single day race and a breakaway can win, and it is not always the best rider win (Cunego). It not always that in the GT:s either, but it is a bigger chance.
And Wyman thanks fore the Watt numbers.
Edited by knasen on 07-09-2009 15:13
The break is doomed, at this rhythm. If they get to the Xorret de Catà with "only" 3 minutes, they'll be caught before the top of it.
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In a few short kms...
Edited by issoisso on 07-09-2009 16:05
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Notice how only good climbers dared to get into the break. Everyone else wants to get there as fresh as possible so they can survive it.
This climb is very very good for Cunego and RodrÃguez
Basso will lose time on a climb like this
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