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PCMdaily DB Stat Discussion - PCM15
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| Omloop |
Posted on 12-09-2015 12:16
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Arberg27 wrote:
Name - Sprint stats - ACC stats
Marcel Kittel 83 82
Andre Greipel 83 80
Peter Sagan 81 81
Mark Cavendish 81 81
Alexander Kristoff 80 80
Nacer Bouhanni 80 79
John Degenkolb 80 79
Elia Viviani 79 79
Bryan Coquard 78 80
Andrea Guardini 78 79
Arnaud Demare 78 79
You can't be serious? Sagan as fast as Cavendish and faster than Kristoff? |
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 12-09-2015 12:26
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75alex wrote:
He is 21 and he just beat Greipel on the Tour Of Britain so it might be justified but I don't know him otherwise
Greipel did a leadout for Dubusschere and when he lost his wheel he had to sprint after having that effort. Gaviria is by far not as good as Greipel, even at this ToB...
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 12-09-2015 15:05
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Omloop wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
Name - Sprint stats - ACC stats
Marcel Kittel 83 82
Andre Greipel 83 80
Peter Sagan 81 81
Mark Cavendish 81 81
Alexander Kristoff 80 80
Nacer Bouhanni 80 79
John Degenkolb 80 79
Elia Viviani 79 79
Bryan Coquard 78 80
Andrea Guardini 78 79
Arnaud Demare 78 79
You can't be serious? Sagan as fast as Cavendish and faster than Kristoff? Yes it is a 2015 DB, not 2011. Sagan was the fastest in the tour after Greipel. Cavendish has not been better in three years now. |
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 12-09-2015 15:09
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Arberg27 wrote:
Omloop wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
Name - Sprint stats - ACC stats
Marcel Kittel 83 82
Andre Greipel 83 80
Peter Sagan 81 81
Mark Cavendish 81 81
Alexander Kristoff 80 80
Nacer Bouhanni 80 79
John Degenkolb 80 79
Elia Viviani 79 79
Bryan Coquard 78 80
Andrea Guardini 78 79
Arnaud Demare 78 79
You can't be serious? Sagan as fast as Cavendish and faster than Kristoff? Yes it is a 2015 DB, not 2011. Sagan was the fastest in the tour after Greipel. Cavendish has not been better in three years now.
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| Unclemax |
Posted on 12-09-2015 17:34
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Arberg27 wrote:
Omloop wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
Name - Sprint stats - ACC stats
Marcel Kittel 83 82
Andre Greipel 83 80
Peter Sagan 81 81
Mark Cavendish 81 81
Alexander Kristoff 80 80
Nacer Bouhanni 80 79
John Degenkolb 80 79
Elia Viviani 79 79
Bryan Coquard 78 80
Andrea Guardini 78 79
Arnaud Demare 78 79
You can't be serious? Sagan as fast as Cavendish and faster than Kristoff? Yes it is a 2015 DB, not 2011. Sagan was the fastest in the tour after Greipel. Cavendish has not been better in three years now.
Thus, in your opinion, Van Avermaet should have better cobble statistics than Cancellara and Boonen, just because he's performed better than them in 2015? |
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| brojuve27 |
Posted on 12-09-2015 18:31
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What about chaves and dumoulin i think they deserve better recovery and landa should have better acceleration |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 12-09-2015 20:43
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Of the main riders who've ridden the Vuelta and after taking into consideration Tour de France fatigue this is what I'm going with:
Mtn stat first and TT second.
Nairo Quintana 83 73
Fabio Aru 81 72
Mikel Landa 81 65
Alejandro Valverde 81 74
Rafal Majka 80 72
Joaquim Rodriguez 79/80 66 (Superior hill stat increases his mtn ability)
Tom Dumoulin 78 80
Esteban Chaves 78 70
Mikel Nieve 77 64
Daniel Moreno 77 66 |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 12-09-2015 20:45
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I'd say that's about right!
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 12-09-2015 20:47
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Unclemax wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
Omloop wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
Name - Sprint stats - ACC stats
Marcel Kittel 83 82
Andre Greipel 83 80
Peter Sagan 81 81
Mark Cavendish 81 81
Alexander Kristoff 80 80
Nacer Bouhanni 80 79
John Degenkolb 80 79
Elia Viviani 79 79
Bryan Coquard 78 80
Andrea Guardini 78 79
Arnaud Demare 78 79
You can't be serious? Sagan as fast as Cavendish and faster than Kristoff? Yes it is a 2015 DB, not 2011. Sagan was the fastest in the tour after Greipel. Cavendish has not been better in three years now.
Thus, in your opinion, Van Avermaet should have better cobble statistics than Cancellara and Boonen, just because he's performed better than them in 2015?
Your point is 100% true. So my comment is not related to that:
But yes, I think GVA might deserve better cobbles than Canc and Boonen.  Though this is just my personal opinion, I think Greg is now in his top years and the two oldies aren't that good anymore.
Though Boonen is free to prove me wrong and take a 4th Ronde Van Vlaanderen next season  |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 12-09-2015 20:49
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The only issue I've got is with Purito as he's been worsening in his mtn stat gradually and after the tour despite winning a stage he was a good 79, but has ridden inspired at times here. Thinking that 79 is still good for him because of his great hill stat, but an increase upto 80 wouldn't be bad either. |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 12-09-2015 20:53
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Ian Butler wrote:
Unclemax wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
Omloop wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
Name - Sprint stats - ACC stats
Marcel Kittel 83 82
Andre Greipel 83 80
Peter Sagan 81 81
Mark Cavendish 81 81
Alexander Kristoff 80 80
Nacer Bouhanni 80 79
John Degenkolb 80 79
Elia Viviani 79 79
Bryan Coquard 78 80
Andrea Guardini 78 79
Arnaud Demare 78 79
You can't be serious? Sagan as fast as Cavendish and faster than Kristoff? Yes it is a 2015 DB, not 2011. Sagan was the fastest in the tour after Greipel. Cavendish has not been better in three years now.
Thus, in your opinion, Van Avermaet should have better cobble statistics than Cancellara and Boonen, just because he's performed better than them in 2015?
Your point is 100% true. So my comment is not related to that:
But yes, I think GVA might deserve better cobbles than Canc and Boonen. Though this is just my personal opinion, I think Greg is now in his top years and the two oldies aren't that good anymore.
Though Boonen is free to prove me wrong and take a 4th Ronde Van Vlaanderen next season
In game GVA has a higher cobble stat than Boonen anyway largely because Boonen has been pretty inactive over the last few years, GVA is without doubt a great 81 cobble man despite the fact he never wins anything on cobbles. In fact in game (my game) he never wins any of the big cobble races so that's pretty realistic and wastes a lot of energy putting in silly attacks too early. |
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 13-09-2015 07:42
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Unclemax wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
Omloop wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
Name - Sprint stats - ACC stats
Marcel Kittel 83 82
Andre Greipel 83 80
Peter Sagan 81 81
Mark Cavendish 81 81
Alexander Kristoff 80 80
Nacer Bouhanni 80 79
John Degenkolb 80 79
Elia Viviani 79 79
Bryan Coquard 78 80
Andrea Guardini 78 79
Arnaud Demare 78 79
You can't be serious? Sagan as fast as Cavendish and faster than Kristoff? Yes it is a 2015 DB, not 2011. Sagan was the fastest in the tour after Greipel. Cavendish has not been better in three years now.
Thus, in your opinion, Van Avermaet should have better cobble statistics than Cancellara and Boonen, just because he's performed better than them in 2015?
Cancellara? No, the same reason as Kittel.
Boonen? Yes, the same reason as Cavendish.
Edited by Arberg27 on 13-09-2015 07:59
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| ItalianBlack |
Posted on 13-09-2015 12:19
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I think that Omar Fraile need a upgrade in Hill , Mountain and his fighter stats and Fernando Gaviria in his Sprint . |
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| Onurb19 |
Posted on 13-09-2015 12:47
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ItalianBlack wrote:
I think that Omar Fraile need a upgrade in Hill , Mountain and his fighter stats and Fernando Gaviria in his Sprint .
And Gonçalves & Oliveira need a upgrade.. |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 13-09-2015 13:26
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Onurb19 wrote:
ItalianBlack wrote:
I think that Omar Fraile need a upgrade in Hill , Mountain and his fighter stats and Fernando Gaviria in his Sprint .
And Gonçalves & Oliveira need a upgrade..
Yes the mountain and fighting stats of those two riders are really bad.
I'm also interested in what stat improvements Ewan and Gaviria are going to get as well. |
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 13-09-2015 13:47
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Arberg27 wrote:
Unclemax wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
Omloop wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
Name - Sprint stats - ACC stats
Marcel Kittel 83 82
Andre Greipel 83 80
Peter Sagan 81 81
Mark Cavendish 81 81
Alexander Kristoff 80 80
Nacer Bouhanni 80 79
John Degenkolb 80 79
Elia Viviani 79 79
Bryan Coquard 78 80
Andrea Guardini 78 79
Arnaud Demare 78 79
You can't be serious? Sagan as fast as Cavendish and faster than Kristoff? Yes it is a 2015 DB, not 2011. Sagan was the fastest in the tour after Greipel. Cavendish has not been better in three years now.
Thus, in your opinion, Van Avermaet should have better cobble statistics than Cancellara and Boonen, just because he's performed better than them in 2015?
Cancellara? No, the same reason as Kittel.
Boonen? Yes, the same reason as Cavendish.
I can just repeat myself here:
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 13-09-2015 14:03
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Most of us know by now not to take Arberg seriously 
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 13-09-2015 14:05
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I know, but I always get so amazed when I see him in action.
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 13-09-2015 14:07
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Paul23 wrote:
I know, but I always get so amazed when I see him in action.
Arnberg= Shock Value |
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| bob7 |
Posted on 13-09-2015 14:08
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Paul23 wrote:
I know, but I always get so amazed when I see him in action.
It's sunday. You wake up, check pcmdaily and see Arberg posts. And you know, it's gonna be a good day  |
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