Funny fact: Orica was one of the instigators of the protest on stage 4, because there was danger of crashes. Now that there is a big crash they took full advantage of it.
Jesleyh wrote:
Quintana definitely has this now. I can't see Evans holding on.
Indeed, the time Evans won today won't have an impact on who will win the pink jersey, but gives him a nice advantage in the fight for the other positions of the podium. I guess it will be between him, Pozzovivo, Uran and Majka (if it was him and not McCarthy in the second group) now.
Why would you do all the effort to be in the front of the peloton when you should wait after a crash anyway?
(Besides not falling yourself of course...)
Edited by MartijnVDD on 15-05-2014 17:16
Selwink wrote:
Despite the various opinions here I am only sure of 1 thing: Evans is not going to get much help in the mountains from other teams.
"Purito's Journal. May 31st, 2014: Dog carcass at the Monte Zoncolan this morning, tire tread on burst stomach. BMC is afraid of me. I have seen their true face. The roads are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their unsportmanships and unfairness will foam up about their waists and all the managers and riders will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll whisper "no."
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Shonak wrote:
I can't believe people compare Vuelta 2012 or Tour 2012 to what happened today: Back then it was a peloton. Today it were EIGHT riders. It's impossible to control a peloton without a boss like Armstrong (Evans certainly is and has never been a leader), but it's certainly possible to make an agreement in a 8 man group to wait for the first bigger group.
Wait for a bigger group? But it would be hypocritical, because then you should wait for everyone. It's cycling, falls happen, watch spring classics.
Shonak wrote:
I can't believe people compare Vuelta 2012 or Tour 2012 to what happened today: Back then it was a peloton. Today it were EIGHT riders. It's impossible to control a peloton without a boss like Armstrong (Evans certainly is and has never been a leader), but it's certainly possible to make an agreement in a 8 man group to wait for the first bigger group.
Wait for a bigger group? But it would be hypocritical, because then you should wait for everyone. It's cycling, falls happen, watch spring classics.
Man has a point..wait who? Second group? Third with Purito?..or 15 min. down Kelderman, Roche group?
Majka cleary was in the second group btw. Look at 16:48, Tinkoff rider with white jersey. The rain coat just makes it impossible for the organizers to know immediately, and there probably was a bike change with McCarthy.
When the producers focused at the crash, and just gave us a glimpse of the front of the race, BMC rode a lot harder, than they did before the crash. They could have easily communicated an agreement of stopping in that small group, and people saying that Evans did not take full advantage of the crash did not watch the today's stage.
TimoCycling wrote:
@Riis: I really don't want to argue aswell, simply because it's no use.
I just want to say, you are comparing two situations that can't be compared, so everything you say is invalid cause that time doesn't apply to this situation.
Of cource they can be compared, even though I acknowdgle the situation is different - but that doesnt mean it can't be compared at all, can it? Not everything is black/white
- Belkin was at the front of the peloton, pacing. Valverde had a mechanical and Belkin upped the pace a bit, takin advantage of Valverde's misfortune in order for Mollema to get a better GC.
- BMC was at the front of the peloton, pacing hard as they knew it would be VERY important to get into the hill first as a result of the weather. Half the peloton crashed and only 20 or so was in the leading group, while BMC upped the pace a bit, taking advantage of the crash.
The outline is the same, in one instance its totally fair (Belkin pacing, gaining time), the other instance Evans is a creep (Belkin not gaining anything)
cio93 wrote:
Majka cleary was in the second group btw. Look at 16:48, Tinkoff rider with white jersey. The rain coat just makes it impossible for the organizers to know immediately, and there probably was a bike change with McCarthy.
Yeah 100%, I've seen it live on TV and posted 3 times about here but still people say Majka is out of GC
I'm a bit torn when it comes to this situation. Yes, it can be called unsportmanlike of Evans to keep riding after the crash. However, crashes are a part of the sport and those who make sure to stay near the front during tricky conditions (wet roads, 90 degree angels, etc.) are, and should be, rewarded.
Alot of people are saying that not everyone can stay near the front. Well, no, they can't. But everyone can stay in the front when there are crosswinds either. Todays the GC-riders who weren't at the front got hold up because other riders ahead of them fell. What if GC-riders gets held up because the ones in front of them can't keep up during crosswinds? Also, for how long should they wait? For the first leader? The second? third and fourth? All of them? It's hardly fair to just wait for one or two.
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
