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| ruben |
Posted on 07-09-2009 10:28
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According to Gesink there was a lot of headwind on the climb yesterday, which is why he waited so long with an attack. And he said Cunego's acceleration was too much, he could never have followed that. |
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Posted on 07-09-2009 10:33
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Perfect stage for Valverde or Cunego.
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"I love him, I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense" - Bradley Wiggins on Lance Armstrong
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| Deda |
Posted on 07-09-2009 10:41
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Gerdemann 25 minutes behind 
If offense is the best defence, does it mean that defence is the worst defence?
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| ruben |
Posted on 07-09-2009 10:57
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Well there's no suprise. I don't know who ever hyped him or why some people believed in his climbing capabilities after just a breakaway in the Tour...
He never was such sort of a talent, good time trial though, and good at medium mountains sometimes, but nothing brilliant. You could already see that coming from far. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 07-09-2009 11:04
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ruben wrote:
Well there's no suprise. I don't know who ever hyped him or why some people believed in his climbing capabilities after just a breakaway in the Tour...
He never was such sort of a talent, good time trial though, and good at medium mountains sometimes, but nothing brilliant. You could already see that coming from far.
yep he was never a pure climber..but also he never would have been that bad as this year..
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| Xavier |
Posted on 07-09-2009 11:05
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Dekker2 who didnt get caught yet imo |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 07-09-2009 11:06
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Xavier wrote:
Dekker2 who didnt get caught yet imo
Dekker had some talent.. |
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Posted on 07-09-2009 11:20
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Xavier wrote:
Dekker2 who didnt get caught yet imo I have to disagree, he actually managed to win mountain stages or end in top 5 without being in a long breakaway.
He was just inconsistent. You can compare him to Vinokourov, excellent time trial and middle mountains/hills, but not consistent in high mountains, he had very good days and very bad days there. And unfortunately he shared another thing with Vino (dope)
Oh and Dekker rode Gerdemann at 7 minutes in the Thüringer Rundfahrt at the espoirs 
But probs to you for turning this into a Dekker discussion, quality.
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| Wyman |
Posted on 07-09-2009 11:26
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Or Sammy if he has recovered 
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Posted on 07-09-2009 11:31
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today is a perfect sammy stage.
climb , descent ,uphill sprint
any news on the difficulty of the descent?
Edited by Stijn_vranken on 07-09-2009 11:34
prevent hangovers --> stay drunk
pozzato, basically the most stupid cyclist around
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Posted on 07-09-2009 11:53
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Wyman wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
Wyman wrote:
i have plenty of spare time... and i recorded the stage
you pervert.. 
Haha the stage was for my dad he is on holiday and is a big cycling fan too
No he is actually a perve arnt you m8  and if you read my post before it clearly states that i reckoned gerdeman did something and i dont deny it . I suppose you need your glory after claiming he was going to dominate lots of races over the past 4-5 years haha.
This stage should have breakaway written all over it. I'm probably wrong though. Maybe gerdeman haha
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Posted on 07-09-2009 11:57
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My secrets out... run away!!!
No i mean when we were walking to the footie and i jokingly said Cunego for the stage and you laughed it off... and said you rekon Anton may do something after his poor tour de france
Yeah you can share some of yours Mr Contador fan
Almost got the wattages sorted... can only find a decent time from 6km to go so trying to find out the Climbs details from their
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Posted on 07-09-2009 12:04
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Wyman wrote:
My secrets out... run away!!!
No i mean when we were walking to the footie and i jokingly said Cunego for the stage and you laughed it off... and said you rekon Anton may do something after his poor tour de france
Yeah you can share some of yours Mr Contador fan
Almost got the wattages sorted... can only find a decent time from 6km to go so trying to find out the Climbs details from their
I think most people would of laughed it off if they were there and say anton was a better bet. Anywho you know i get bored of people who win all the time. e.g. rossi lorenzo armstrong etc the list could go on. And you know i like sam san g and have done for ages.
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Posted on 07-09-2009 12:09
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Well its probably wrong but...
From what info i could gather i rekon that...
Cunego = 423watts
Gesink = 409watts
Evans-Valv-Sammy=406watts
Valjevic-Basso-Mosquera-Rodriguez-Danielson-Tiralongo=403watts
Thats for the last 6kms though
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Posted on 07-09-2009 12:25
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Cobo for today. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 07-09-2009 12:29
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I but money on Sami..then started thinking..he crashed yesterday.. |
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Posted on 07-09-2009 12:56
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ruben wrote:
Well there's no suprise. I don't know who ever hyped him or why some people believed in his climbing capabilities after just a breakaway in the Tour...
He never was such sort of a talent, good time trial though, and good at medium mountains sometimes, but nothing brilliant. You could already see that coming from far.
I had a laugh yesterday when the one Eurosport commentator was in shock about Gerdemann's position, and Sean Kelly (who clearly knows more about cycling talents than the other bloke) said (in his broad Irish accent) "It's normal". Upon prompting.. "It's where I expect him to be. When he shows himself in a week long tour like the Dauphine, or Paris-Nice, he can start to claim he's a general classement contender, but he's not all that" (Or words to that effect). It was the first true thing the Irish had spoken all day. |
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Posted on 07-09-2009 13:15
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rjc_43 wrote:
ruben wrote:
Well there's no suprise. I don't know who ever hyped him or why some people believed in his climbing capabilities after just a breakaway in the Tour...
He never was such sort of a talent, good time trial though, and good at medium mountains sometimes, but nothing brilliant. You could already see that coming from far.
I had a laugh yesterday when the one Eurosport commentator was in shock about Gerdemann's position, and Sean Kelly (who clearly knows more about cycling talents than the other bloke) said (in his broad Irish accent) "It's normal". Upon prompting.. "It's where I expect him to be. When he shows himself in a week long tour like the Dauphine, or Paris-Nice, he can start to claim he's a general classement contender, but he's not all that" (Or words to that effect). It was the first true thing the Irish had spoken all day.
The shock in his voice when he saw cunego was quite funny aswell i thought |
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| Wyman |
Posted on 07-09-2009 13:30
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Yeah that was funny.. they thought he was Marzano for most of the climb haha...
It was just funny after Sean Kelly had written him off during the stage
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| SotD |
Posted on 07-09-2009 13:44
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Wyman wrote:
Well its probably wrong but...
From what info i could gather i rekon that...
Cunego = 423watts
Gesink = 409watts
Evans-Valv-Sammy=406watts
Valjevic-Basso-Mosquera-Rodriguez-Danielson-Tiralongo=403watts
Thats for the last 6kms though
Seems wrong that Basso group all put out 403 watts to me... Perhaps in average, but doesn't the watts have a conclussion towards how fast you are pedalling/gearing and weight?
I doubt it can be so conclussive that just because they are going at the same pace they are all producing the same amount. Also the fact that some are pulling whilst others are merely hanging on should also have an effect. |
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