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| Metriz- |
Posted on 15-05-2014 17:06
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SSJ2Luigi wrote:
Spoiler Metriz- wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
I had little sympathy for Cadel already, but this is just low... Pathetic rider, I hope he gets squashed when the real mountains come.
Kelderman looking good today though, I think he fell aswell though, but was very strong! Hope he can maintain this. This is the problem with fanboys, you don't look at this logically. If he had wiated for Kelderman, but not for Majka who was further back it would have been fine in your eyes.
And you're only mad at Evans because he took time overall, not at Matthews who took a stage win he most likely wouln't have gotten no crash.
has Jesleyh been replaced? 
I can understand all of the criticism group Maglia Rosa got, but if I was in that situation I don't think I would have waited, similiar to the Tour de France 2011 with Voeckler, Flecha and Hoogerland. the crash was too close to the finish.
plus waiting for the rest instantly kills the race at that point. Or even Tour de France 2010 stage 7. It sounds like that is what people want- Gift the stage to a random guy and let all the favourites ride in on a line. |
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 15-05-2014 17:07
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Strydz wrote:
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Majka and Roche lost 15:08 and Arredondo hasnt arrived jet 
Arredondo @ 18.40
It didn't look like McCarthy it looked like Majka in that secomd group
It was 100% Majka on McCarthy's bike. And McCarthy on Majka's bike 15 mins down. |
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| Metriz- |
Posted on 15-05-2014 17:07
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Jesleyh wrote:
Schleck96 wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
I had little sympathy for Cadel already, but this is just low... Pathetic rider, I hope he gets squashed when the real mountains come.
Kelderman looking good today though, I think he fell aswell though, but was very strong! Hope he can maintain this.
Belkin waited for Valverde too, right? Loool
Belkin was already setting the pace with OPQS. During that, Valv crashed. So they didn't stop, it's not like they started riding after that. So was BMC |
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| Selwink |
Posted on 15-05-2014 17:07
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Jesleyh wrote:
Schleck96 wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
I had little sympathy for Cadel already, but this is just low... Pathetic rider, I hope he gets squashed when the real mountains come.
Kelderman looking good today though, I think he fell aswell though, but was very strong! Hope he can maintain this.
Belkin waited for Valverde too, right? Loool
Belkin was already setting the pace with OPQS. During that, Valv crashed. So they didn't stop, it's not like they started riding after that.
IIRC it was a material failure. Not that it matters much, just a tiny detail.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 15-05-2014 17:08
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I really dont wanna argue this (after numerous experience with dutch fanboys on this forum), but the situation you described is very similar to today's - BMC was at the front. The only difference - and the one that obv. clearly matters the most to you - is the fact that Belkin this tie isnt the beneficiary = not fair.
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 15-05-2014 17:08
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Schleck96 wrote:
Jesleyh wrote:
Schleck96 wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
I had little sympathy for Cadel already, but this is just low... Pathetic rider, I hope he gets squashed when the real mountains come.
Kelderman looking good today though, I think he fell aswell though, but was very strong! Hope he can maintain this.
Belkin waited for Valverde too, right? Loool
Belkin was already setting the pace with OPQS. During that, Valv crashed. So they didn't stop, it's not like they started riding after that.
From what I've been reading here, BMC was already pacing before...
Big difference between a big peloton and a group of 8 at the front though... I think it was shitty by Belkin back then and i think its even more shitty by BMC now. |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 15-05-2014 17:08
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I can't believe people compare Vuelta 2012 or Tour 2012 to what happened today: Back then it was a peloton. Today it were EIGHT riders. It's impossible to control a peloton without a boss like Armstrong (Evans certainly is and has never been a leader), but it's certainly possible to make an agreement in a 8 man group to wait for the first bigger group. 
Edited by Shonak on 15-05-2014 17:09
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| fjhoekie |
Posted on 15-05-2014 17:08
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Shonak wrote:
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Evans did nothing wrong, neither did Matthews.
It's a shame cyclists fall and get hurt, but if you fall, for whatever reason (slippery roads, bad positioning etc.), where others stay upright, there is no reason for them who can handle their bikes in those particular conditions to wait. Stop this stupid únwritten rule' or we could also say: 'Let's wait for Cavendish in the mountains, or he might miss the timecut!' It's getting ridiculous...
Of course some are going to be angry, mainly his rivals, and that's understandable, but he managed to stay upright, and get in a great position. He was absolutely right to use it!
Now hate me!
There's no reason to hate you because of your opinion on sport.
You misunderstand though: Riders were at a disadvantage who did nothing wrong. They didn't crash and they wern't at fault. They had nothing to do with it. Not everybody can ride at the front, d'oh. If people would ride like that in a Grand Tour, we'd have even more crashes. He attacked the peloton, that was on basically on the floor at that moment.
No, not everyone can be at the front, and as said I do feel sorry for those who fell and lost time. It may not have been their own fault to crash, but the fact is that they were at the wrong place at the wrong time, which is often described as bad luck.
If someone has bad luck someone who's lucky (in this case Evans and Matthews) shouldn't be punished, which most of the members here would do by letting them wait, out of respect... Everyone will get lucky sometime (except Gesink, but that's something differesnt now) and whenever you are lucky, you should make the most of it. So kudos to Evans...
(And no, I'm not an Evans fan, not at all, prefer riders like Pirazzi.)
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| Farmer Sam |
Posted on 15-05-2014 17:08
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Riis123 wrote:
I really dont wanna argue this (after numerous experience with dutch fanboys on this forum), but the situation you described is very similar to today's - BMC was at the front. The only difference - and the one that obv. clearly matters the most to you - is the fact that Belkin this tie isnt the beneficiary = not fair.
BINGO. Hit the nail on the head. |
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| Metriz- |
Posted on 15-05-2014 17:10
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gotlandrules wrote:
Spoiler Schleck96 wrote:
Jesleyh wrote:
Schleck96 wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
I had little sympathy for Cadel already, but this is just low... Pathetic rider, I hope he gets squashed when the real mountains come.
Kelderman looking good today though, I think he fell aswell though, but was very strong! Hope he can maintain this.
Belkin waited for Valverde too, right? Loool
Belkin was already setting the pace with OPQS. During that, Valv crashed. So they didn't stop, it's not like they started riding after that.
From what I've been reading here, BMC was already pacing before...
Big difference between a big peloton and a group of 8 at the front though... I think it was shitty by Belkin back then and i think its even more shitty by BMC now. They weren't 8 jsut after the crash though. More like 20. The hill made a huge difference. |
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| Selwink |
Posted on 15-05-2014 17:10
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Despite the various opinions here I am only sure of 1 thing: Evans is not going to get much help in the mountains from other teams.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 15-05-2014 17:10
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Well, I am not really angry with Evans anyway, so it would be nonsense to argue.
I see it as part of the racing, tbh.
Majka & Arredondo totally threw their GC away today. Purito on 7 minutes is very shocking as well. Hmm. Quintana definitely has this now. I can't see Evans holding on.
Edited by Jesleyh on 15-05-2014 17:11
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| steve smink |
Posted on 15-05-2014 17:10
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
Strydz wrote:
fickman wrote:
Majka and Roche lost 15:08 and Arredondo hasnt arrived jet
Arredondo @ 18.40
It didn't look like McCarthy it looked like Majka in that secomd group
It was 100% Majka on McCarthy's bike. And McCarthy on Majka's bike 15 mins down.
Hopefully Roche
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 15-05-2014 17:10
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Farmer Sam wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
I really dont wanna argue this (after numerous experience with dutch fanboys on this forum), but the situation you described is very similar to today's - BMC was at the front. The only difference - and the one that obv. clearly matters the most to you - is the fact that Belkin this tie isnt the beneficiary = not fair.
BINGO. Hit the nail on the head.
Ty, sir. I really needed to let go of that, haha. |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 15-05-2014 17:11
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It is strange that the 2nd group kept losing time towards the end, there were plenty of riders who could of worked but at one stage they were just looking around at eachother.
Crazy stage but I guess that is what the Giro always delivers
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| Metriz- |
Posted on 15-05-2014 17:12
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Shonak wrote:
I can't believe people compare Vuelta 2012 or Tour 2012 to what happened today: Back then it was a peloton. Today it were EIGHT riders. It's impossible to control a peloton without a boss like Armstrong (Evans certainly is and has never been a leader), but it's certainly possible to make an agreement in a 8 man group to wait for the first bigger group. Armstrong, Cancellara or whoever would have NEVER stopped if they were in Evans situation. |
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| KenL |
Posted on 15-05-2014 17:13
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An interesting dilemma, it is not the first time and certainly not the last time someone takes advantage of a rivals misfortune.
However, it is impossible for one to say "the racing was on" and they were not fully aware of the situation (says Sean Kelly) seeing as race radios are being used and one second you are with 180 riders and the next just 8. Too many "ands"
To me the real failure in all of this is Mathews, simply because as the Leader of the Race he has a leadership role to fulfill and had the power to neutralize the stage until at least half the peleton rejoined...By not doing so he "Dishonours" the jersey. Just my opinion. |
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 15-05-2014 17:13
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@Riis: I really don't want to argue aswell, simply because it's no use.
I just want to say, you are comparing two situations that can't be compared, so everything you say is invalid cause that time doesn't apply to this situation. |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 15-05-2014 17:14
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Selwink wrote:
Despite the various opinions here I am only sure of 1 thing: Evans is not going to get much help in the mountains from other teams.
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| Wilier |
Posted on 15-05-2014 17:15
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Funny fact: Orica was one of the instigators of the protest on stage 4, because there was danger of crashes. Now that there is a big crash they took full advantage of it.  |
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