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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 07-06-2009 15:12
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Biathlon wrote:
Lance said: What a wanker. 5 TdF wins doesn't buy you any common sense. 
You sure Lance didn't say seven? |
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| Biathlon |
Posted on 07-06-2009 15:17
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fenian_1234 wrote:
Biathlon wrote:
Lance said: What a wanker. 5 TdF wins doesn't buy you any common sense.
You sure Lance didn't say seven?
Nono. Lance got common sense! He rock
Words to live by
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 07-06-2009 15:48
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Hinault beats Lance.
Hinault has a more impressive Palmares
From wikipedia
Hinault
Tour de France 1978: overall winner, 3 stages
Tour de France 1979: overall winner, green jersey, 7 stages
Tour de France 1980: 3 stages
Tour de France 1981: overall winner, 5 stages
Tour de France 1982: overall winner, 4 stages
Tour de France 1984: second place, 1 stage
Tour de France 1985: overall winner, 2 stages
Tour de France 1986: second place, polka-dot jersey, 3 stages
Giro d'Italia (1980, 1982, 1985)
Vuelta a España (1978, 1983)
Grand Prix des Nations (1977, 1978, 1979, 1982, 1984)
World Road Cycling Championship (1980)
Paris-Roubaix (1981)
Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré (1977, 1979, 1981)
Liège-Bastogne-Liège (1977, 1980)
Giro di Lombardia (1979, 1984)
La Flèche Wallonne (1979, 1983)
Ghent-Wevelgem (1977)
Amstel Gold Race (1981)
Tour de Romandie (1980)
Quatre Jours de Dunkerque (1984)
Armstrong
Tour de France (1999–2005), 22 stages
World Cycling Champion (1993)
Flag of the United States US National Cycling Champion (1993)
Clásica de San Sebastián (1995)
La Flèche Wallonne (1996)
Tour de Suisse (2001)
Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré (2002, 2003)
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| mrlol |
Posted on 07-06-2009 16:23
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yes, ok. but nowadays its impossible to win paris roubaix, AGR, the dauphine and the Tour in one year. thats just not gonna happen. especially the first two dont go together in a world where everybody specializes in one thing instead of being ok in lots of things. |
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 07-06-2009 16:24
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it's still a better Palmares 
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| mrlol |
Posted on 07-06-2009 16:25
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not nescesarily so. you've got to look at the time in which it was done.
the fact that its bigger, doesnt make it better. |
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 07-06-2009 16:29
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Hinault was a good all-rounder yes. And bigger doesn't mean better. But what shows is that he didn't "just" care about the tour. He won the giro x3 Vuelta x2. As well as a bunch of other races.
Just because he's gone and won P-R doesn't mean anything. The list of races he's won is Impressive. Yes the years factor in, but all in all, Hinault's for me, is more impressive.
The big anoying thing (for me) about Armstrong is his 100% focus on the tour.
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| mrlol |
Posted on 07-06-2009 16:33
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doddy13 wrote:
Hinault was a good all-rounder yes. And bigger doesn't mean better. But what shows is that he didn't "just" care about the tour. He won the giro x3 Vuelta x2. As well as a bunch of other races.
Just because he's gone and won P-R doesn't mean anything. The list of races he's won is Impressive. Yes the years factor in, but all in all, Hinault's for me, is more impressive.
The big anoying thing (for me) about Armstrong is his 100% focus on the tour.
there you go. it's different to everybody.
but as you said, Lances palmares couldve been even better. but he focused on the Tour, and with succes. |
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 07-06-2009 16:35
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No doubting Lance achieved what he wanted to achieve. 7 tours doesn't go un-noticed.
He's done wonders for the sport, brought new fans from the US. He's a cycling legend for sure.
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| jim1996 |
Posted on 07-06-2009 16:35
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doddy13 wrote:
Hinault beats Lance.
Hinault has a more impressive Palmares
From wikipedia
Hinault
Tour de France 1978: overall winner, 3 stages
Tour de France 1979: overall winner, green jersey, 7 stages
Tour de France 1980: 3 stages
Tour de France 1981: overall winner, 5 stages
Tour de France 1982: overall winner, 4 stages
Tour de France 1984: second place, 1 stage
Tour de France 1985: overall winner, 2 stages
Tour de France 1986: second place, polka-dot jersey, 3 stages
Giro d'Italia (1980, 1982, 1985)
Vuelta a España (1978, 1983)
Grand Prix des Nations (1977, 1978, 1979, 1982, 1984)
World Road Cycling Championship (1980)
Paris-Roubaix (1981)
Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré (1977, 1979, 1981)
Liège-Bastogne-Liège (1977, 1980)
Giro di Lombardia (1979, 1984)
La Flèche Wallonne (1979, 1983)
Ghent-Wevelgem (1977)
Amstel Gold Race (1981)
Tour de Romandie (1980)
Quatre Jours de Dunkerque (1984)
Armstrong
Tour de France (1999–2005), 22 stages
World Cycling Champion (1993)
Flag of the United States US National Cycling Champion (1993)
Clásica de San Sebastián (1995)
La Flèche Wallonne (1996)
Tour de Suisse (2001)
Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré (2002, 2003)
Well,hinault days werent like nowdays.Nowdays the competitions is much much bigger that hinault days.And look a bit the time.In 1979 tour hinault did 103h 06' 50" and armstrong did in 2003 tour 83h 41' 12".Its big difference.That also shows that they werent going that fast then like nowdays.But still he is a great rider.
edit:Well i didnt notice what mrol said
Edited by jim1996 on 07-06-2009 16:36
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 07-06-2009 16:36
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I know that, mentioned it above. 
And as i've also said, because Lance focused solely on the tour, Hinault was the more impressive rider.
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 07-06-2009 16:40
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@jim1996: in Hinaults time the tour was severly longer
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 07-06-2009 16:42
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schleck93 wrote:
@jim1996: in Hinaults time the tour was severly longer
well 500 or so km
The 1979 Tour de France was the 66th Tour de France, taking place June 27 to July 22, 1979. The total race distance was 24 stages over 3765 km, with riders averaging 36.513 km/h. It was the only tour to finish at L'Alpe d'Huez twice.
The 2003 Tour de France started and ended in Paris. Lasting from July 5 to July 27 the race covered 3,350 km (2081.58 mi), proceeding clockwise in twenty stages around France, including six major mountain stages. Due to the centennial celebration, this edition of the tour was raced entirely in France and did not enter neighboring countries.
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| jim1996 |
Posted on 07-06-2009 16:54
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schleck93 wrote:
@jim1996: in Hinaults time the tour was severly longer
Yes.I knew but im armstrong and only armstrongs fan (and andys shcleck fan)
so i always try to say that armstrong is the best.And yeah he is the best!!!! |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 07-06-2009 16:54
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jim1996 wrote:
But still he is a great rider.
Hinault once did the last entire km of a time trial at 60km/h without any aero equipment, at the end of a long 50km time trial, at the end of a hard three weeks.
Lance would be lucky to do 55km/h for 100metres straight, in a prologue at the start of the three weeks, with full aero bike, handlebars, helmet, pads, etc etc etc.
Don't try to compare the two. Hinault was aeons ahead in talent.
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| Smowz |
Posted on 07-06-2009 16:56
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Its always difficult to compare riders who specialise in different things or are from different eras. However, when you consider guys like Hinault and the even more incredible Merkcx and the sensational all round ability that these guys had I have to place them ahead of Lance Armstrong in achievement.
I feel Lance could have done better in the ardennes classics in his pomp (post cancer) or perhaps short stage races like the Paris-Nice (granted Lance won good stage races like the Dauphine and the Tour de Suisse). Instead Lance concentrated his efforts in an Indurain like way, that concentrated everything on the tour. Nothing necessarily wrong with that, but perhaps juist maybe Lance could have won more in his career had he attempted to do a little better in other months that June and July.
It is an interesting debate, when you consider the rides of riders like Denis Menchov and Carlos Sastre who clearly are following a Armstrong/Indurain esque heavily focussed on Grand Tour type ethos, again when you see him kick away on a mountain finish you think gee he could do something elsewhere.
The skills required to win the Paris Roubaix (bike handling, power, luck!, endurance) are not totally removed from a grand tour winner, I don't find it unimaginable that a cobbled style rider could not compete at the highest level in a grand tour. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 07-06-2009 16:57
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Smowz wrote:
Instead Lance concentrated his efforts in an Indurain like way, that concentrated everything on the tour.
That's not what Induráin did.
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| jim1996 |
Posted on 07-06-2009 17:07
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you maybe were seeing him as better talent because these times not all the talents were going in tour.i mean there were some people that had the talent but their father just didnt have money for them to get them a bicycle etc....So the competition wasnt that big,understand this thing,and youll see.Also think a bit about the air at this time trial.....And i think that all these athletes have the same power and talent.Think f1 hamilton was the best last year and now he cant compete the others.That shows that all these athletes got the same talent.Also Armstrong had so many problems at his life and he still did these great things.I think all these guys got the same talent.And armstrong could this thing that hinault did,its like that,Can you live how your grandmother live???...Thats all.Well all these men are very very great.....And i dont like comparing(maybe the right word) about these men.You have to try to be like these men and then see that is not a difference,what armstrong or what hinault did.
Also everyone has is seeing the things different.So there always be something that one thing is right but someone other says it is wrong.....
Edited by jim1996 on 07-06-2009 17:08
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| mattiasgt |
Posted on 07-06-2009 17:10
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Are you saying that Hamilton got as much talent as every other driver just because of his results this year compare to last? Come on..
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| jim1996 |
Posted on 07-06-2009 17:18
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These riders got the same talent,in this case(f1)its about the car,or about the stress(like baricelo today).Well you maybe dont understand me....But i think 1 day you will..... |
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