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| Levi4life |
Posted on 02-04-2009 21:52
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they unintentionally gave blood to be treated by a doctor involved in a blood doping ring!
We owe these Puerto guys an apology
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 02-04-2009 22:16
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The point is Valverde isnt doping now, n even if he doped its in the past, so leave it be. If Valverde was doping now we would have noticed in the last years TDF, n he dropped off. I thought the idea was to ban doping riders who are doping now and Valverde isnt. If he doped its in the past so leave it in the past and if he did he probably realised n cleaned himself up. So because he aint doping now, he should leave his past alone an give him no ban. and let him continue his career. It aint fair on the poor guy. |
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| Wiggo |
Posted on 02-04-2009 22:19
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Ste117 wrote:
I think he got caught up in peurto unintentionally, same for basso n contador n ullrich, i dont think any of them actually doped, especially ullrich the guy is a legend, shame he was shadowed by armstrong but he had his career ruined by untrue facts and i hope valverde's isnt the same.
HAHAHAHA. The most rose tinted spectacles post I have EVER seen. |
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| Immortal |
Posted on 02-04-2009 22:23
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Ste117 wrote:
The point is Valverde isnt doping now, n even if he doped its in the past, so leave it be. If Valverde was doping now we would have noticed in the last years TDF, n he dropped off. I thought the idea was to ban doping riders who are doping now and Valverde isnt. If he doped its in the past so leave it in the past and if he did he probably realised n cleaned himself up. So because he aint doping now, he should leave his past alone an give him no ban. and let him continue his career. It aint fair on the poor guy.
I don`t mean to sound like a d-head, and I don`t have any firm evidence to deny you, but I still think that claiming that Valverde has just suddenly "gone clean" is a quite ignorant statement.
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| untal |
Posted on 02-04-2009 22:25
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Ste117 wrote:
The point is Valverde isnt doping now, n even if he doped its in the past, so leave it be. If Valverde was doping now we would have noticed in the last years TDF, n he dropped off. I thought the idea was to ban doping riders who are doping now and Valverde isnt. If he doped its in the past so leave it in the past and if he did he probably realised n cleaned himself up. So because he aint doping now, he should leave his past alone an give him no ban. and let him continue his career. It aint fair on the poor guy.
It is certain that Valverde was doped before and therefore should be punished.
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| Wiggo |
Posted on 02-04-2009 22:25
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Ste117 wrote:
The point is Valverde isnt doping now, n even if he doped its in the past, so leave it be. If Valverde was doping now we would have noticed in the last years TDF, n he dropped off. I thought the idea was to ban doping riders who are doping now and Valverde isnt. If he doped its in the past so leave it in the past and if he did he probably realised n cleaned himself up. So because he aint doping now, he should leave his past alone an give him no ban. and let him continue his career. It aint fair on the poor guy.
ARE YOU SERIOUS??? If you want doping to stop, don't let the people who once did it go free. If we want it to stop, you need to punish everyone. Poor guy? Yeah a poor guy who fucking does the thing he loves as his job and get's ridiculous amounts of money for it and possibly (probably) cheats in it. |
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 02-04-2009 22:37
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I just couldnt see Valverde gone from cycling i have supported him for so long, well ever since i started watching cycling, the guy is an idol to me and until he is proving fully that he did surely yous can understand why im supporting him, if it was your fav rider in this situation im sure yous would do the same until proven 100% guilty. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 02-04-2009 22:40
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Ste117 wrote:
I just couldnt see Valverde gone from cycling i have supported him for so long, well ever since i started watching cycling, the guy is an idol to me and until he is proving fully that he did surely yous can understand why im supporting him, if it was your fav rider in this situation im sure yous would do the same until proven 100% guilty.
My favorite rider rides for Valverde's team and hasn't been implicated in any scandals at all.
Guess what....HE'S DOPED TOO. I'm the first to admit it.
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 02-04-2009 22:42
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who's that. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 02-04-2009 22:44
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If I tell you that I run the risk of people accusing me of bias later on |
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 02-04-2009 22:45
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My favourite rider is someone I hope never has doped, but then, he's not a pro tour professional, so doesn't have to perform as well. Not an excuse for dopers, but I too am realistic.
[url=cleavercycling.co.uk]  [/url] |
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 02-04-2009 22:48
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I can get accused for been biased by not accepting that Valverde and believeing Valverde has doped but i couldnt care because i believe he hasnt doped until he has been proven. Is it sanchez by any chance because i dont believe he has doped either he is such a young talent. |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 02-04-2009 23:03
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issoisso wrote:
If I tell you that I run the risk of people accusing me of bias later on
Rui Costa? |
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 02-04-2009 23:07
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I have a policy set in stone after the 2006 Tour. I can like all riders despite of any accusations right until the moment the amount of evidence climbs over a threshold ive set. Im still angry we never saw that Basso/Ullrich battle.
Oh, and it goes for Valverde too.
Edited by Waghlon on 02-04-2009 23:08
THE THOMAS VOECKLER PROPHET OF PCM DAILY
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 02-04-2009 23:15
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same n im still angry the way ullrich got banned without really enough evidence n then force to retire because of it. I think he never doped either, like basso, but 2006 tour = landis = muppit putting the sport of cycling into disrupte he knew what he was doing before he won the tour so why not turn himself in because he knew he wouldnt get away with it. I felt sorry for Periero and angry for Perieiro waiting a year after contador won it for it to be confirmed he won the tour riducolous in my opinion and shouldnt of happend and shouldnt of happend if they banned landis sooner. thats what makes me angry the most. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 02-04-2009 23:24
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SportingNonsense wrote:
issoisso wrote:
If I tell you that I run the risk of people accusing me of bias later on
Rui Costa?
Nationality doesn't play into it. |
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| tonymcf |
Posted on 02-04-2009 23:26
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No offence Ste but Basso admitted his role in it and in his own words he was "fully aware that an attempt at doping is tantamount to doping" (although it's highly likely he was already at it). If he admitted that and Scarponi and Jörg Jaksche admitted that Fuentes was helping them to dope then it's near impossible that Ulle's blood was there for totally innocent reasons. |
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 02-04-2009 23:29
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Ste117 wrote:
same n im still angry the way ullrich got banned without really enough evidence n then force to retire because of it. I think he never doped either, like basso, but 2006 tour = landis = muppit putting the sport of cycling into disrupte he knew what he was doing before he won the tour so why not turn himself in because he knew he wouldnt get away with it. I felt sorry for Periero and angry for Perieiro waiting a year after contador won it for it to be confirmed he won the tour riducolous in my opinion and shouldnt of happend and shouldnt of happend if they banned landis sooner. thats what makes me angry the most.
And what we have here folks, is an untainted new PCMDaily visitor, who still refuses to open his eyes to the "wisdom" of the regulars who believe they know the ins and outs of doping. Oh how I wish I was as naive as this once more...
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 02-04-2009 23:35
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It just seems to be that most riders i decide to like get banned for doping, ullrich, basso, ricco, soon to be valverde hope not even though i totally agree with ricco doping you could spot that a mile off dirty italian. Hope he doesnt come back to the sport, and i hope landis retires because i hate his guts. |
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| tonymcf |
Posted on 02-04-2009 23:43
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That's how it is though. Mario Cipollini is my all time cycling hero, it was because of him I got into cycling. However he had a well known 'working relationship' with Luigi Cecchini and Cecchini is far from innocent as a doctor, therefore it's not a stretch to say Mario was likely a doper. |
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