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| ringo182 |
Posted on 19-03-2009 13:42
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schleck93 wrote:
Ringo Poggio and cipressa is about 4km long or so as far as I remember, and they have an average of over 4% which is way more than Cavendish can do, just look at stage at Tour de France last year, he was not even close to be in the pack.
fair enough. but at least you explained it like an adult instead of resorting to childish name calling. |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 19-03-2009 13:46
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Ruben wrote:
Waghlon wrote:
Ringo, Ruben is not hiding between a fake name. His name is actually Ruben Lampe. Common knowledge.
Secondly, Ruben is right. Thank you.
thank you what? that people know your name? well done.
or is it the childish reasoning of "waghlon agrees with me so i'm right"? what an argument! don't think i'll be able to match that evidence i'll just go and sit in a dark room because i clearly can't compete with your debating skills. |
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Posted on 19-03-2009 13:46
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Did I call you names? No
I only said: what the fuck are you mumbling about.
So now I expect an apology. Thank you!
Edited by ruben on 19-03-2009 13:47
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| Bosskardo |
Posted on 19-03-2009 13:52
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When will the San Remo bet be added?
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| ruben |
Posted on 19-03-2009 13:52
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ringo182 wrote:
Ruben wrote:
Waghlon wrote:
Ringo, Ruben is not hiding between a fake name. His name is actually Ruben Lampe. Common knowledge.
Secondly, Ruben is right. Thank you.
thank you what? that people know your name? well done.
or is it the childish reasoning of "waghlon agrees with me so i'm right"? what an argument! don't think i'll be able to match that evidence i'll just go and sit in a dark room because i clearly can't compete with your debating skills.
Still better than saying shit, you later have to explain you don't know about. And then acting all offended. You shouldn't have spoken with so much confidence like
"it's just a shame that they have changed the course just as Cavendish has become the worlds best sprinter. a few years ago he would have been the favourite."
When you're "new to cycling" as you say, why couldn't you have checked on cyclingnews what the race was like the last few years, including looking at the stage profile. You would have noticed the Poggio and the Cipressa being there for years, and always proved too much for sprinters type Cavendish, pure sprinter with second to none climbing ability. Even sprinters who are better at surviving hills had problems with the Poggio until later in their careers. Like Cipollini, who could only win it at already old age.
But now, you spoke, without knowledge, but with the certaintity of an expert, "a few years ago he would have been favourite" about Cavendish. And then you act all offended when you get a retort from me.
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 19-03-2009 13:55
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no you didn't call a name directly but you used an agressive manner to insinuate that i was stupid. "uh, no" is something a kid says when they think someone is stupid. you swore at me for no reason and then failed to come up with a reason for your opinion other then "waghlon agrees with me".
i've got no problem with you and respect your right to express your opinion that i am wrong. all i ask is you be respectful of my opinions and don't use childish or agressive tactics to try to bully me into accepting you opinion.
i am sorry if i've offended you. i just don't appreciate being sworn at and you trying to make me look stupid.
now i ask for an apology from you. |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 19-03-2009 13:56
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i retract my apology. you sir are a twat! |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 19-03-2009 13:58
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you still don't explain how petacchi and cipollini won other then they only won it when they were old. how does that help? |
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| ruben |
Posted on 19-03-2009 13:58
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Ofcourse I react as if it was a stupid reply. Because it was a stupid reply.
I didn't swore at you at all. Since when is what the fuck swearing at YOU? It's simply an expression. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 19-03-2009 14:02
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ringo182 wrote:
you still don't explain how petacchi and cipollini won other then they only won it when they were old. how does that help?
Petacchi is a way better climber than Cavendish. Just look at his early career results. He had to win a lot in breakaways in his early career, in slightly hilly stages.
He won a Giro stage in 2003 where 30 riders were left, with NO sprinters, except Petacchi.
He is not comparable to Cavendish. He never was. Petacchi is a power sprinter, who needs to be launched at high speed and in a sprint train. Cavendish can win in any way and can really accelerate (if he's still there that is)
Cipollini is, he never survived much climbs and never finished the Tour even, although he did finish the Giro a few times. However, as Cipollini got older, he got thougher, that's natural for cyclists who turn older, especially sprinters, they lose some of their sprinting speed, and get better at climbing. Cipollini trained on the hills before that Milano San Remo so many times, that he could finally survive it, and win it.
Cavendish is a long, long road away from that. He can't even survive stages in the big races where a LOT of other sprinters do survive... He needs a lot of 'thoughening up'
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 19-03-2009 14:09
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you ask me what the fuck i mas mumbling. it was directed at me as a question.
also i don't know what my lack of cycling knowledge has to do with it. i was offended by your aggresive and arrogant manner towards me and your inability to answer the perfectly acceptable questions that i had asked. i don't want to get into a big arguement and it was unfortunate that as i was posting an apology you were posting another reply.
i apologise for the misunderstanding, but i also ask for an apology for the aggresive way you spoke to me in your first post. then we can put this behind us and continue the discussion on the MSR.
also you still haven't explained how cipollini getting old helped him to win? |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 19-03-2009 14:09
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ringo182 wrote:
thats true. i suppose everyone has bad days but his win rate this year in sprints that he has contested must be up around 80/90%. every race he's done this year (that i've seen ToQ, ToC, T-A) he's dominated the sprints. i think that this is one of his major goals this year and he won't just turn up without wotking on the hills. i think he's in good shape and if his team can control the peleton and stop too many breaks going away he could still be there at the end, and with an 80/90% win rate (estimated  ) he will have a good chance in the final sprint.
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Sorry, but he'd have zero chance of being there at the finish if the course was the usual one. Not to mention that this year there's Le MÃ nie
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| issoisso |
Posted on 19-03-2009 14:12
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ringo182 wrote:
you still don't explain how petacchi and cipollini won other then they only won it when they were old. how does that help?
Cipollini spent his career training on the hills until he was good enough to win it once. and only once.
Petacchi is a climber who later in his career specialized in sprinting. It's not uncommon to see him climbing with the 25-30 best climbers of the Giro on mountain stages every year.
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| mattiasgt |
Posted on 19-03-2009 14:16
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issoisso wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
thats true. i suppose everyone has bad days but his win rate this year in sprints that he has contested must be up around 80/90%. every race he's done this year (that i've seen ToQ, ToC, T-A) he's dominated the sprints. i think that this is one of his major goals this year and he won't just turn up without wotking on the hills. i think he's in good shape and if his team can control the peleton and stop too many breaks going away he could still be there at the end, and with an 80/90% win rate (estimated ) he will have a good chance in the final sprint.
62.5%
Sorry, but he'd have zero chance of being there at the finish if the course was the usual one. Not to mention that this year there's Le MÃ nie
Maybe in a few years he will be up there. But you don't only need to be up there, you also need to be one of the freshes to be able to pull of a great sprint.
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 19-03-2009 14:17
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sorry, just saw your last post after i posted mine. so can you ever see cavendish winning MSR? or do you think he is happy just dominating stage races?
as you said, cipo never finished the tour. do you think that cav could. i know he pulled out last year but that was because of the olympics. he finished the Giro (didn't he) which was arguably harder and he's still only 22. he has said that the green jersey is one of his biggest goals so obviously he beleaves he can finish the tour. if he can achieve that in the next couple of years then maybe he'll be ready to go for the MSR. |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 19-03-2009 14:19
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goddammit. people keep answering my questions before i even ask them so i look stupid |
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Posted on 19-03-2009 14:19
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Milano San Remo has also another aspect, the length. You need great stamina.
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Posted on 19-03-2009 14:30
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I believe Cav will have what it takes to be a contender at Milano - SanRemo. He's very young but he has already proposed himself and achieved some tough goals many other riders couldn't accomplish.
the major question mark regarding Cav is, I believe, how much stamina can he develop.
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| ruben |
Posted on 19-03-2009 14:33
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I can see Cavendish winning Milano San Remo if, and only if, he trains on endurance and hills for his entire career from now on. But, the downside would be, he would lose sprint speed and lose more sprints.
It;s a choice he has to make somewhere, if he wants to win classics. And that can go wrong. Just looke at Baden Cooke, he was the green jersey winner in 2003. What happened after that? He decided to focus on classics. Now he is a rider who isn't fast enough in sprints, and who isn't good enough in classics. So he ended up at Vacansoleil.
So hopefully for Cavendish, he will think before throwing away what he has now |
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| Xavier |
Posted on 19-03-2009 15:45
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i agree 
@Ruben, why did you pick summy for your wielerprono-team? |
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