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| KurtinSC |
Posted on 05-02-2008 14:38
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The Dems will still be up in the air after tonight. All of the states are proporitional, so neither can get a huge lead.
On the Republican side, McCain will likely come out far ahead. He leads in all 7 of the "winner take all states" (including New York, which has a lot of delegates). That combined with keeping close in the proportional states will give him a clear lead.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 05-02-2008 15:05
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I usually never comment politics on forums, but anyway: I've been following the American election closely through both American and Danish media, and I've been waiting for this Super Tuesday for a long time. As you guys say, it seems like McCain will take the win for the Republicans. He seems to be a "true" Conservative, which I guess is one of his advantages. I don't really care who wins since I basically disagree in pretty much everything they say.
On the Democratic side, it's a lot more exciting. Hillary vs. Barrack. They agree on a whole lot of stuff, so in fact, it's not important who wins. That being said, I tend to like Hillary Clinton more - why? Because she's more "political". Barrack Obama tends to be some sort of new "Martin Luther King", speaking about dreams and how the world would be if everything was perfect, instead of speaking about how to solve the problems Bush and his government has started. Clinton is more down to earth, in my opinion.
Anyway, that's just my two cents. As long as a Conservative guy doesn't win again, I'm happy. I cried when George Bush was reelected -- yes, I'm serious -- so please, a Democrat!  |
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| Crommy |
Posted on 05-02-2008 15:26
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I'm disappointed that all the media over here focuses on is whether the next President is black of a woman, and how huge a step that is - for crying out loud, it's not sex or race, it's the person and their policies that matters.
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| dave92 |
Posted on 05-02-2008 15:28
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actually McCain is considered too moderate. His main competion is Mitt Romney, and he's calling on "real conservatives" to help him win. I actually suported John Edwards while he was in the race.  Kurt is right about the results though.
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| alex153 |
Posted on 05-02-2008 20:56
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As long as Clinton doesnt win I can take it, but would be nice with Obama possibly. My favorite would be Al Gore, but that won't happen sadly |
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 05-02-2008 21:15
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I haven't read any of this seen as I'm not really interested in the goings on in politics but read Alex's post and I really hope Clinton doesn't win. Obama all the wayB)
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| Crommy |
Posted on 05-02-2008 22:07
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Addy291 wrote:
I haven't read any of this seen as I'm not really interested in the goings on in politics
You should be - whoever wins basically decides how the world will shape out over the next 4 years - a US election significantly affects the world nowadays
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| dave92 |
Posted on 05-02-2008 22:10
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alex153 wrote:
As long as Clinton doesnt win I can take it, but would be nice with Obama possibly. My favorite would be Al Gore, but that won't happen sadly
After he was robbed in 2000  . Seriously though he's great. An Inconvenient Truth was a good documentary.
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| dave92 |
Posted on 05-02-2008 22:11
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Crommy wrote:
[quote]Addy291 wrote:
I haven't read any of this seen as I'm not really interested in the goings on in politics
You should be - whoever wins basically decides how the world will shape out over the next 4 years - a US election significantly affects the world nowadays[/quote
just look at the idiot in office now, he caused you Brits to get involved in the middle East
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 05-02-2008 22:15
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Is that Bush ops: If it is, then I know for sure that I don't like him
(the word "office" threw me a bitops: )
Edited by Addy291 on 05-02-2008 22:16
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| dave92 |
Posted on 05-02-2008 22:18
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yep thats Bush
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| Crommy |
Posted on 05-02-2008 22:22
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dave92 wrote:
just look at the idiot in office now, he caused you Brits to get involved in the middle East
Yep - our troops are stuck in a war (two actually) which we have absolutely no reason to be in - our troops are dying out there, for absolutely nothing.
There's a series going on at the moment where a minor celebrity is actually in Afghanistan, on the front line, and it shows you just what it is like - it's dangerous, pointless, and a complete and utter stalemate. We can't leave, because we have to try and protect the Afghani people, so we stay, and we continue our bloody stalemate, whilst those who suffer are the Afghan citizens (hugely) and our troops, who are fighting in a war they know they should not be in.
I'll shut up now, but I feel very strongly on this
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| dave92 |
Posted on 05-02-2008 22:26
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Crommy wrote:
dave92 wrote:
just look at the idiot in office now, he caused you Brits to get involved in the middle East
Yep - our troops are stuck in a war (two actually) which we have absolutely no reason to be in - our troops are dying out there, for absolutely nothing.
There's a series going on at the moment where a minor celebrity is actually in Afghanistan, on the front line, and it shows you just what it is like - it's dangerous, pointless, and a complete and utter stalemate. We can't leave, because we have to try and protect the Afghani people, so we stay, and we continue our bloody stalemate, whilst those who suffer are the Afghan citizens (hugely) and our troops, who are fighting in a war they know they should not be in.
I'll shut up now, but I feel very strongly on this
me too, but I feel bad that Bush dragged you guys into it too. He wasnt content wiht screwing over one country, so he made it for.
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 05-02-2008 22:27
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What Crommy said, just with danish soldiers instead of british, and on a smaller scale.
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 05-02-2008 22:40
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Crommy wrote:
dave92 wrote:
just look at the idiot in office now, he caused you Brits to get involved in the middle East
There's a series going on at the moment where a minor celebrity is actually in Afghanistan, on the front line, and it shows you just what it is like
Minor celebrity? The guy was in Eastenders for God's sake
(I know, poor place to make a joke, but it was staring me in the face)
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| Crommy |
Posted on 06-02-2008 08:06
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dave92 wrote:
me too, but I feel bad that Bush dragged you guys into it too. He wasnt content wiht screwing over one country, so he made it for.
The Afghan war occured because Bush had to flex muscles after 9/11. It's as simple as that. Bush could have easily avoided the war. Offers were made to try Bin Laden in the country if they were presented with evidence of Bin Laden's involvement - the Americans refused
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 06-02-2008 09:18
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So, the first results from Super Tuesday are up, and it seems like a clear victory for John McCain. The Democrats' election is stil very open, although I'd say that Hillary Clinton seems unbeatable. She won in New York, New Jersey, California, .. - all the big states, and it also seems like she's backed up by the Spanish-speaking part of the US. So, all in all, she got the momentum, I think. |
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| Setzel |
Posted on 06-02-2008 09:19
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I will say easy wins for both canditates...
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| SeoulYank |
Posted on 06-02-2008 12:15
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Actually, neither candidate can claim a victory on the Democrat side. Other than for bragging rights, the fact that they win a state or don't is largely irrelevant as delegates are awarded on the basis of congressional districts one. For example, Hillary won Nevada a week or so back but Obama actually took more delegates - so who really got the victory? Today they pretty much split all the delegates right down the middle and stand in pretty much the same position as they did coming in to Super Duper Tuesday. Long and short of it is the race on the Democrat side sees likely to go all the way to the final primaries (which are in May I think).
This is unfortunate as it seems likely McCain will be able to wrap things up in the next couple of weeks and then the Republicans can begin to present a united front to blast away at the Democrats while Hillary and Obama blast away at each other. If Romney or Huckabee were the nominee I would say that it does not matter, however McCain is a guy who basically is viewed as "middle-of-the-road" and appeals to the all important independents. You can't win a general election based on Democrat support or Republican support; the winner is usually the candidate who can mobilize the independents (or as they used to be called, the "Reagan Democrats" to their side. If McCain gets a free couple of months to solidify his appeal with the independent voters then it spells trouble for the democrats. Particularly if Hillary is the nominee as, quite frankly, most independents (myself included) don't like her and don't trust her. I'm not sure she can win against McCain whereas I feel confident Obama can which is partly why I voted for him today. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 06-02-2008 13:44
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I get your point about the Republicans having time to mobilize their united front - I've thought about that too, myself. One of the good things about the Democrats, though, are that they don't "fight" themselves very much. The Republicans are better at those "you're an idiot"-campaigns where they discuss who went to what war, whereas the Democrats seem to have more "respect" for each other. So, yes, it gives the Republicans an advantage, although I don't think it will matter that much.
Next to that, I agree with you that Obama has a better appeal towards the "neutral" voters. H. Clinton has made some bad decisions (voted for the Iraq war, for example) which has damaged her credibility, and next to that, Obama is more "inspiring". That being said, I still believe Clinton has more political substance, and I still believe she's more capable of getting political results.
But if Obama wins, I'll still be perfectly happy As said before, as long as a Democrat win the election, I'm thrilled  |
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