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| Cristi M |
Posted on 09-09-2008 23:22
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OMG if he joins Columbia i really stop watching cycling 
Edited by Cristi M on 09-09-2008 23:31
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| ruben |
Posted on 09-09-2008 23:25
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I love Germans. They always overreact |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 09-09-2008 23:26
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Magenta wrote:
OMG if he joins Colombia i really stop watching cycling
I'll throw any remaining belief in "clean cycling" out the window.
Of course, it won't happen.
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| t-baum |
Posted on 10-09-2008 00:57
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issoisso wrote:
Magenta wrote:
OMG if he joins Colombia i really stop watching cycling
I'll throw any remaining belief in "clean cycling" out the window.
Of course, it won't happen.
I would kill myself
not really, but stapleton isn't that stupid.
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 10-09-2008 00:59
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Cool - it's confirmed and I wouldn't discount Basso from the TdF just yet....
ASO have always accepted riders who've served their time in the past, Millar being the best recent example.
And at the very least they'll want to have someone there who can beat Armstrong. |
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| shadow80 |
Posted on 10-09-2008 02:05
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I like the idea of Armstrong back, but think about it, if Contador can pump out 435 watts and Basso can pump out 470, guess what that means, Basso has a superhuman 6.7 watts/kilogram whereas Contador is putting out a pretty human 6.3 watts/kilogram. It's generally accepted nowadays that to put out more than 6.5 watts/kg is a good sign of a doper because that seems to be the upper limit of the human body without drugs on a bike.
I predict that Basso will end up having wattage closer to 435-445 watts rather than the 470 watts he had while doping. I have a easier time believing that Contador isn't doping than I do have believing that Basso wasn't doping (he WAS caught after all) with those numbers.
And if you think that Contador is pedestrian for a stage-racer, then I think you need to take a serious check on who you thought were great stage racers in the past. Oh, that's right, they were dopers. They never cracked, they never had close calls or were vulnerable. Contador has had close calls and he has had vulnerabilities, just didn't lose with them. |
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| trueatfirstlight |
Posted on 10-09-2008 02:39
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Magenta wrote:
OMG if he joins Columbia i really stop watching cycling
I really don't see this happening. What I'm more concerned about, though, is Bruyneel. They guy makes me cringe, seriously.
In light of all the discussion and debate thus far, I still view this as a positive and am pretty happy with the decision to return, especially considering his reasons for doing so.
The transparency issue..meh, it's not that revolutionary, really, since [proactive] teams are now allowing members of the press or medical community to request riders' test results, which are then mailed to them. But I guess it's taking it one step further, maybe? Jury's still out on that.
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| Levi4life |
Posted on 10-09-2008 03:19
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But this is total transparency on Lance's part. The bloodwork will be online.
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| King Lolzy |
Posted on 10-09-2008 03:39
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i bet he'll be teaming up with contador and that astana will be total domination at next year's tour!! |
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| Phanekim |
Posted on 10-09-2008 05:16
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shadow80 wrote:
I like the idea of Armstrong back, but think about it, if Contador can pump out 435 watts and Basso can pump out 470, guess what that means, Basso has a superhuman 6.7 watts/kilogram whereas Contador is putting out a pretty human 6.3 watts/kilogram. It's generally accepted nowadays that to put out more than 6.5 watts/kg is a good sign of a doper because that seems to be the upper limit of the human body without drugs on a bike.
I predict that Basso will end up having wattage closer to 435-445 watts rather than the 470 watts he had while doping. I have a easier time believing that Contador isn't doping than I do have believing that Basso wasn't doping (he WAS caught after all) with those numbers.
And if you think that Contador is pedestrian for a stage-racer, then I think you need to take a serious check on who you thought were great stage racers in the past. Oh, that's right, they were dopers. They never cracked, they never had close calls or were vulnerable. Contador has had close calls and he has had vulnerabilities, just didn't lose with them.
i agree with this as well...as well as another poster who posted same opinion. I hate to disagree with isso though. But I must admit...begrudgingly...that maybe things are cleaning up somewhat...i'm still skeptical though. |
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 10-09-2008 05:41
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Who is Alberto Contador anyway?
Isn't he the guy JB signed to be Basso's number 1 support rider?????
Then he suddenly surprised the world by winning P-N and of course that other French race. Inconceivable to think his prep may have even been slightly like Basso's.... |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 10-09-2008 07:56
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First Armstrong needs to find a team, then his team need to be invited to the Tour de France. That's a lot, if you ask me. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 10-09-2008 08:08
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shadow80 wrote:
I like the idea of Armstrong back, but think about it, if Contador can pump out 435 watts and Basso can pump out 470, guess what that means, Basso has a superhuman 6.7 watts/kilogram whereas Contador is putting out a pretty human 6.3 watts/kilogram. It's generally accepted nowadays that to put out more than 6.5 watts/kg is a good sign of a doper because that seems to be the upper limit of the human body without drugs on a bike.
I predict that Basso will end up having wattage closer to 435-445 watts rather than the 470 watts he had while doping. I have a easier time believing that Contador isn't doping than I do have believing that Basso wasn't doping (he WAS caught after all) with those numbers.
So you're saying that it's perfectly normal that Contador's 435 watts destroy legend Bernard Hinault's career-best 381 watts and LeMond's career-best 390?
uh-huh....sure...makes perfect sense that the legends of the past are vastly inferior to the current riders but drugs have nothing to do with it...
shadow80 wrote:
And if you think that Contador is pedestrian for a stage-racer, then I think you need to take a serious check on who you thought were great stage racers in the past. Oh, that's right, they were dopers. They never cracked, they never had close calls or were vulnerable. Contador has had close calls and he has had vulnerabilities, just didn't lose with them.
They never craked, never had close calls or were vulnerable? are you HIGH???
If that's true, then every mountain stage in the past ended in a sprint, since nobody ever cracked or had close calls or was vulnerable.....
Nothing against you personally, but seriously, that's just the worst argument I can remember anyone using in any discussion ever. That is literally an extremely false thing to say and the concept is, excuse the word, ridiculous
EDIT: if you seriously belive in that, name me a legend or two and I'll be more than happy to post every time they cracked in a tour stage. I'm serious.
Edited by issoisso on 10-09-2008 08:16
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| Rin |
Posted on 10-09-2008 08:36
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Ruben wrote:
I love Germans. They always overreact
You shouldn´t see the german forums , find someone who is dancing because of Lance is back should be hard
Also they are believing in clean cycling , please... thats just for the bulls , so they are believe in clean cycling , they think Lance shouldn´t be back because he was "the" doper for cycling ever , hurray that Ullrich wasn´t Zabel also and never forget Klöden Who knows if Gerdemann isn´t doping? Who knows? No one knows who is doping and who is not doping , even they can show the blood passport , I think the dopers are many steps further than the inspectors
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 10-09-2008 08:42
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Aquarius wrote:
First Armstrong needs to find a team, then his team need to be invited to the Tour de France. That's a lot, if you ask me.
Tinkoff - Katusha
"We are still talking to [Tour de France winner Carlos] Sastre; I hope we can persuade him to be a member of our team," Tinkov told Cyclingnews on Monday. "Budget? We have the budget to sign two riders like Sastre."
Lance Armstrong was twice the rider of Sastre.
I can see where this is all going Astana or Katusha or Cervelo. Or in an evil turn, Slipstream.
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| tate |
Posted on 10-09-2008 08:48
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He already has a team lined up and will be confirmed on 24th. After the vuelta and I can only see him going to Astana otherwise he wouldn't come back. They are the only team that will let him prepare as he used too and the directors he would work with. As for Contador it will teach him how to prepare for the Tour and nothing else giving him the best chance to win more than the one he has. If you believe the reports Discovery signed him to learn from Basso and take over from him after 2 yrs and was recommended by Armstrong as the person most likly to match in the future. Also if he is to ride for nothing then Astana would be mad to say no thank. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 10-09-2008 08:57
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rjc: he said he'll ride for free.
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| Hasselinhoo |
Posted on 10-09-2008 09:18
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he won't be in astana... |
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 10-09-2008 09:30
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issoisso wrote:
rjc: he said he'll ride for free.
Whaaa!? Now why would he do such a thing.
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| King Lolzy |
Posted on 10-09-2008 10:25
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rjc_43 wrote:
issoisso wrote:
rjc: he said he'll ride for free.
Whaaa!? Now why would he do such a thing.
because he's riding for a cause...he wants to raise global awareness about cancer because he thinks ppl are viewing cancer nowadays in an indifferent way, like they aren't reacting quickly enough and putting the right effort to find a cure... |
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