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Posted on 10-07-2007 09:09
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@niko disco squad=The Discovery Channel Cycling Squad
@Guido That nasty CSC team 
Keep it going, you'll get there eventually
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Posted on 10-07-2007 15:26
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conspiracy theory against T-mobile. Just one day looking for stats and notice that Rogers has in mountains 76 and Popo 80...I know plakker hate T-mobile and he's stats has been so far the best, still ? Lets hope Rogers knee works well and then I can proof it, lets see that in real TdF mountain stages.
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Posted on 10-07-2007 15:34
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actually, I don't really agree with a lot of plakker's stats. I did back in early 2005. 99% of them are unchanged since then. which is simply odd.
that's why I made my own DB. took me forever 
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Posted on 10-07-2007 15:39
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issoisso wrote:
actually, I don't really agree with a lot of plakker's stats. I did back in early 2005. 99% of them are unchanged since then. which is simply odd.
that's why I made my own DB. took me forever
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Posted on 10-07-2007 15:51
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okay, I can send them, but I must ask you don't distribute it or anything. I just made it as I see the cycling world, as DB that I could be satisfied with just to play for myself.
essentially because of the normal problem of most DBs that is "cyclist x is better than cyclist y. so he gets one more point for mountain, one more for stamina, etc etc".
all the riders end up being the same. it's ridiculous. I, for instance have no problem giving Piepoli a higher mountain stat than Vino or Valverde...but he'll get nowhere near as much stamina or resistance, so he won't be able to compete.
another example: because Valverde does well in the mountains and in the hills, he usually gets 81 for each. that's ridiculous. classic races are 50% MO stat, 50% HIL stat. check the .xml files, you'll notice that. giving him so high in each will make him dominate everyone every time.
anyway, I'm ranting here, sorry
send me a PM with your e-mail and I'll send it to you 
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Posted on 10-07-2007 16:03
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Volta ao Algarve (stage 2) Castro Marim - Tavira
There is one more stage wich I played last night it's time to post it
Very sharp and short climb 15,5% 57km. before finish. Cruz, Lowe, Cummings protect and help sprinter Uros Murn to get over it.
There was sprint point about 5km. before finish wich confuses of lot of riders plans. McEwen sprinted hard and after that he kind of missed primary sprint. Not in the picture Predictor train was built left side and they are probably to far. Murn looks well placed.
Eisel comes first that is clear but very close and fun fight who's gonna be second. Murn is one of them. McEwen is way to far ..he don't make it.
Results:
1 Bernhard Eisel T-MOBILE TEAM 4h19'04
2 Stefan Radochla TEAM WIESENHOF - FELT s.t.
3 Pedro Costa VITÓRIA - ASC s.t.
4 Uros Murn DISCOVERY CHANNEL PRO CYCLING TEAM s.t. Player
5 Manuel Antonio Cardoso RIBERALVES - BOAVISTA s.t.
6 Nuno Marta MADEINOX - BRIC - LOULÉ s.t.
7 Bruno Sá FERCASE - ROTA DOS MÓVEIS s.t.
8 René Haselbacher ASTANÁ s.t.
9 Jakob Piil T-MOBILE TEAM s.t.
10 Evgeni Sladkov ASTANÁ s.t.
11 Pedro Miguel Soeiro BARBOT - HALCON s.t.
12 Gerald Ciolek T-MOBILE TEAM s.t.
13 Evgeni Popov RABOBANK CONTINENTAL s.t.
14 Bruno Neves LA MSS s.t.
15 Cristian Moreni COFIDIS, LE CRÉDIT PAR TÉLÉPHONE s.t.
16 Robbie McEwen PREDICTOR - LOTTO s.t.
17 Fred Rodriguez PREDICTOR - LOTTO s.t.
18 Niki Terpstra TEAM MILRAM s.t.
19 Javier Benitez BENFICA s.t.
20 Pedro Lopes Goncalves BENFICA s.t
GC:
1 Bernhard Eisel T-MOBILE TEAM 8h55'04
2 Robbie McEwen PREDICTOR - LOTTO + 5
3 Pedro Costa VITÓRIA - ASC + 6
4 Stefan Radochla TEAM WIESENHOF - FELT + 11
5 Benoît Joachim ASTANÁ s.t.
6 Christophe Mengin FRANÇAISE DES JEUX + 12
7 Uros Murn DISCOVERY CHANNEL PRO CYCLING TEAM + 17 Player
8 Manuel Antonio Cardoso RIBERALVES - BOAVISTA s.t.
9 Bruno Neves LA MSS s.t.
10 Nuno Marta MADEINOX - BRIC - LOULÉ s.t.
11 Bruno Sá FERCASE - ROTA DOS MÓVEIS s.t.
12 Pedro Miguel Soeiro BARBOT - HALCON s.t.
13 Evgeni Sladkov ASTANÁ s.t.
14 Cristian Moreni COFIDIS, LE CRÉDIT PAR TÉLÉPHONE s.t.
15 Niki Terpstra TEAM MILRAM s.t.
16 René Haselbacher ASTANÁ s.t.
17 Pedro Lopes Goncalves BENFICA s.t.
18 Javier Benitez BENFICA s.t.
19 Evgeni Popov RABOBANK CONTINENTAL s.t.
20 Fred Rodriguez PREDICTOR - LOTTO s.t.
Points:
1 Bernhard Eisel T-MOBILE TEAM 28 44
2 Pedro Costa VITÓRIA - ASC 17 37
3 Robbie McEwen PREDICTOR - LOTTO 2 27
4 Uros Murn DISCOVERY CHANNEL PRO CYCLING TEAM 13 23 Player
5 Stefan Radochla TEAM WIESENHOF - FELT 20 20
6 Manuel Antonio Cardoso RIBERALVES - BOAVISTA 10 18
7 Bruno Neves LA MSS 0 13
8 Nuno Marta MADEINOX - BRIC - LOULÉ 8 8
9 Benoît Joachim ASTANÁ 0 6
10 Bruno Sá FERCASE - ROTA DOS MÓVEIS 6 6
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Posted on 10-07-2007 16:34
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I love it with intermediate sprints near the end, it's so easy to get out front and then stay there 
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Posted on 10-07-2007 23:34
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Amgen Tour of California
Seaside - San Luis Obispo (payback time)
nice "shark tooth" at first half of the stage...lightly uphill and then downhill- intresting sprint
Boogerd is back on the group..when group splits in hill he find himself left down.
Good teamwork Boogerd get's easily back to main punch.
Finaly tempo is up and gap between to breakaway riders starts to melt. Already starting to belive that this is CSC play to give away important sprint points
30 km. before finish I was almost shure that Moletta and Cornu will make it thrue the finish. But stage is to long for duo great solo show.
Time to sprint...most active man in group is Bettini who is zig-zaging and looking best sprint-train..i decided to follow him. Bileka looks tyred..i set Hincapie,Davis duo to follow.
Ou...five riders group moves away from peloton.
Marcus Ljungqvist ,[b]Hincapie , Davis, Bettini, Bellizotti, Arvesen[/b]
here they go. Hincapie follows Bettini
This is gonna be between Arvesen, Bettini, Hincapie.
1.Bettini ,2.Hincapie, 3.Arvesen. No peloton in the picture
Stage results:
1 Paolo Bettini QUICK STEP - INNERGETIC 5h28'27
2 George Hincapie DISCOVERY CHANNEL PRO CYCLING TEAM s.t. Player
3 Kurt-Asle Arvesen TEAM CSC s.t.
4 Allan Davis DISCOVERY CHANNEL PRO CYCLING TEAM s.t. Player
5 Marcus Ljungqvist TEAM CSC s.t.
6 Franco Pellizotti LIQUIGAS s.t.
7 Frantisek Rabon T-MOBILE TEAM + 38
8 Sébastien Hinault CRÉDIT AGRICOLE s.t.
9 Kirk O'Bee HEALTH NET PRESENTED BY MAXXIS s.t.
10 Addy Engels QUICK STEP - INNERGETIC s.t.
11 Adam Hansen T-MOBILE TEAM s.t.
12 Gerben Löwik RABOBANK s.t.
13 Stefan Schumacher GEROLSTEINER s.t.
14 Ronny Scholz GEROLSTEINER s.t.
15 Lucas Euser TEAM SLIPSTREAM s.t.
16 Kevin Hulsmans QUICK STEP - INNERGETIC s.t.
17 Mike Friedman TEAM SLIPSTREAM s.t.
18 Kim Kirchen T-MOBILE TEAM s.t.
19 Frank Schleck TEAM CSC s.t.
20 Karsten Kroon TEAM CSC s.t.
GC:
1 George Hincapie DISCOVERY CHANNEL PRO CYCLING TEAM 17h22'07 Player
2 David Zabriskie TEAM CSC + 31
3 Ronny Scholz GEROLSTEINER + 43
4 Jens Voigt TEAM CSC + 52
5 Koos Moerenhout RABOBANK + 55
6 Sérgio Paulinho DISCOVERY CHANNEL PRO CYCLING TEAM s.t. Player
7 William Walker RABOBANK + 56
8 Kim Kirchen T-MOBILE TEAM + 57
9 Tom Danielson DISCOVERY CHANNEL PRO CYCLING TEAM + 1'02 Player
10 Frank Schleck TEAM CSC + 1'03
11 Francesco Bellotti CRÉDIT AGRICOLE + 1'04 12 Wladimir Gustov TEAM CSC s.t.
13 Christophe Brandt PREDICTOR - LOTTO + 1'08
14 Patrik Sinkewitz T-MOBILE TEAM + 2'13
15 Cadel Evans PREDICTOR - LOTTO + 2'23
16 Michael Boogerd RABOBANK + 2'32
17 Alessandro Spezialetti LIQUIGAS + 2'34
18 Dario David Cioni PREDICTOR - LOTTO + 2'37
19 Franco Pellizotti LIQUIGAS + 2'46
20 Davide Frattini COLAVITA - SUTTER HOME PRESENTED BY COOKING LIGHT s.t.
21 Wim Van Huffel PREDICTOR - LOTTO s.t.
22 Lucas Euser TEAM SLIPSTREAM + 2'47
23 Frantisek Rabon T-MOBILE TEAM + 3'08
24 Andrea Noè LIQUIGAS + 3'10
25 Vincenzo Nibali LIQUIGAS + 3'13
26 Dario Cataldo LIQUIGAS + 3'17
27 Iñigo Cuesta TEAM CSC + 3'27
28 Marc De Maar RABOBANK + 4'43
29 Stefan Schumacher GEROLSTEINER + 5'24
30 Addy Engels QUICK STEP - INNERGETIC + 6'02
Points:
1 George Hincapie DISCOVERY CHANNEL PRO CYCLING TEAM 20 62 Player
2 David Zabriskie TEAM CSC 0 40
3 Ronny Scholz GEROLSTEINER 2 38
4 Paolo Bettini QUICK STEP - INNERGETIC 25 34
5 Addy Engels QUICK STEP - INNERGETIC 6 31
6 Kirk O'Bee HEALTH NET PRESENTED BY MAXXIS 7 27
7 Francesco Bellotti CRÉDIT AGRICOLE 0 27
8 Frantisek Rabon T-MOBILE TEAM 9 26
9 Andrea Noè LIQUIGAS 0 26
10 Mike Friedman TEAM SLIPSTREAM 0 25
11 Allan Davis DISCOVERY CHANNEL PRO CYCLING TEAM 14 24 Player
12 Lucas Euser TEAM SLIPSTREAM 1 23
13 Vincenzo Nibali LIQUIGAS 0 22
14 Kurt-Asle Arvesen TEAM CSC 16 21
15 Kim Kirchen T-MOBILE TEAM 0 20
16 Hayden Godfrey COLAVITA - SUTTER HOME PRESENTED BY COOKING LIGHT 0 19 17 Dries Devenyns PREDICTOR - LOTTO 0 18
18 Brian Dziewa JELLY BELLY CYCLING TEAM 0 16
19 Vladimir Bileka DISCOVERY CHANNEL PRO CYCLING TEAM 0 16 Player
20 Jens Voigt TEAM CSC 0 14
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Volta ao Algarve (stage 3)
Lagoa - Lagos
Breakaway group on stage bigest climb. Ofcorse Algarve tour "breakaway king" Joachim is one of them.
and few moment later I notice Klöden at the first time in the peloton. Taking easy no rush ,drinking.
How beatiful is up there. This was hard climb all sprinters feel it a little in theyr legs.
Strange was that nobody didn't attack...this was ok for me...they have destroyed Disco squad easily.
Prepearing to sprint. It's perfect..Murn is placed himself on McEwen back wheel. But that big mounatins has done lot of damage to his sprinting power.
McEwen go's and takes second ..quite easy win. Murn is 4.th. thats good but..he starting to get tired about his 4.th. places.
Results:
1 Robbie McEwen PREDICTOR - LOTTO 5h14'05
2 Bernhard Eisel T-MOBILE TEAM s.t.
3 Niki Terpstra TEAM MILRAM s.t.
4 Uros Murn DISCOVERY CHANNEL PRO CYCLING TEAM s.t. Player
5 Cristian Moreni COFIDIS, LE CRÉDIT PAR TÉLÉPHONE s.t.
6 Jakob Piil T-MOBILE TEAM s.t.
7 Steffen Wesemann TEAM WIESENHOF - FELT s.t.
8 Mirko Celestino TEAM MILRAM s.t.
9 Evgeni Popov RABOBANK CONTINENTAL s.t.
10 Evgeni Sladkov ASTANÁ s.t.
11 Pedro Costa VITÓRIA - ASC s.t.
12 Axel Merckx T-MOBILE TEAM s.t.
13 Igor Astarloa TEAM MILRAM s.t.
14 Pedro Lopes Goncalves BENFICA s.t.
15 Francisco José Pacheco BARBOT - HALCON s.t.
16 Dmitri Muravjev ASTANÁ s.t.
17 Matthias Kessler ASTANÁ s.t.
18 Markus Eichler UNIBET.COM s.t.
19 Christophe Mengin FRANÇAISE DES JEUX s.t.
20 Dennis Haueisen TEAM MILRAM s.t.
GC:
1 Bernhard Eisel T-MOBILE TEAM 14h09'03
2 Robbie McEwen PREDICTOR - LOTTO + 1
3 Pedro Costa VITÓRIA - ASC + 12
4 Benoît Joachim ASTANÁ + 14
5 Christophe Mengin FRANÇAISE DES JEUX + 18
6 Niki Terpstra TEAM MILRAM + 19
7 Uros Murn DISCOVERY CHANNEL PRO CYCLING TEAM + 23 Player
8 Cristian Moreni COFIDIS, LE CRÉDIT PAR TÉLÉPHONE s.t.
9 Evgeni Sladkov ASTANÁ s.t.
10 Jakob Piil T-MOBILE TEAM s.t.
11 Evgeni Popov RABOBANK CONTINENTAL s.t.
12 Pedro Lopes Goncalves BENFICA s.t.
13 Francisco José Pacheco BARBOT - HALCON s.t.
14 Mirko Celestino TEAM MILRAM s.t.
15 Dennis Haueisen TEAM MILRAM s.t.
16 Dmitri Muravjev ASTANÁ s.t.
17 Brett Lancaster TEAM MILRAM s.t.
18 Steffen Wesemann TEAM WIESENHOF - FELT s.t.
19 Matej Jurco TEAM MILRAM s.t.
20 Axel Merckx T-MOBILE TEAM s.t.
Points:
1 Bernhard Eisel T-MOBILE TEAM 20 64
2 Robbie McEwen PREDICTOR - LOTTO 25 52
3 Pedro Costa VITÓRIA - ASC 0 37
4 Uros Murn DISCOVERY CHANNEL PRO CYCLING TEAM 13 36 Player
5 Niki Terpstra TEAM MILRAM 16 20
6 Stefan Radochla TEAM WIESENHOF - FELT 0 20
7 Manuel Antonio Cardoso RIBERALVES - BOAVISTA 0 18
8 Bruno Neves LA MSS 0 13
9 Cristian Moreni COFIDIS, LE CRÉDIT PAR TÉLÉPHONE 10 11
10 Jakob Piil T-MOBILE TEAM 8 10
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Posted on 11-07-2007 03:20
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Amgen Tour of California
Solvang ITT
Most important race in California tour. Todays winner can consider himself almost all tour winner.
Cadel in start podium. When he arrived 1-st. timecheck..he was 3.rd. In finish 7th. +1'03 behind.
Noe doing well..without that fall in 2.nd stage he will be for shure GC contender ,in this stage 5th. palce +49
Dario David Cioni +48 and 4th. Cioni getting day by day better. At first stages I doesn't notice him..now he on every stage in picture.
3 rd. Jens Voigt +40...CSC has been my worst nightmare on this tour. When Jens passes 1.st. time check he plasts the best time.
Zabriskie..thank good he weares that point jersey and no that scary american TT champ one. He moving strong..1.st in 1.st time check.
Disco golden boy decending..before hilly part he was 3.rd in this point he was even with Zabriskie or few seconds already head. In finish line 1.st. and Zabriskie 2.nd +17.Job done.
Results:
1 George Hincapie DISCOVERY CHANNEL PRO CYCLING TEAM 46'40 Player
2 David Zabriskie TEAM CSC + 17
3 Jens Voigt TEAM CSC + 40
4 Dario David Cioni PREDICTOR - LOTTO + 48
5 Andrea Noè LIQUIGAS + 49
6 Ronny Scholz GEROLSTEINER + 52
7 Cadel Evans PREDICTOR - LOTTO + 1'03
8 Stefan Schumacher GEROLSTEINER + 1'05
9 Vincenzo Nibali LIQUIGAS + 1'15
10 Hayden Godfrey COLAVITA - SUTTER HOME PRESENTEDCOOKING LIGHT + 1'27
11 Frantisek Rabon T-MOBILE TEAM + 1'28
12 Gianni Meersman DISCOVERY CHANNEL PRO CYCLING TEAM s.t. Player
13 Danny Pate TEAM SLIPSTREAM + 1'29
14 Kim Kirchen T-MOBILE TEAM s.t.
15 Koos Moerenhout RABOBANK s.t.
16 Steven Cozza TEAM SLIPSTREAM s.t.
17 Sérgio Paulinho DISCOVERY CHANNEL PRO CYCLING TEAM + 1'30 Player
18 Dominique Cornu PREDICTOR - LOTTO + 1'32
19 Vladimir Bileka DISCOVERY CHANNEL PRO CYCLING TEAM + 1'38 Player
20 William Walker RABOBANK + 1'39
21 Michael Boogerd RABOBANK + 1'40
22 Scott Nydam BMC RACING TEAM s.t.
23 Dario Cataldo LIQUIGAS + 1'47
24 Ian McKissick BMC RACING TEAM + 1'48
25 José Isabel Garcia Gutierrez TECOS DE LA UNIVERSIDAD AUTONOMA DE GUADALAJARA + 1'49
26 Jason McCartney DISCOVERY CHANNEL PRO CYCLING TEAM + 1'50 Player
27 Tom Danielson DISCOVERY CHANNEL PRO CYCLING TEAM + 1'51 Player
28 Dries Devenyns PREDICTOR - LOTTO s.t.
29 Adam Hansen T-MOBILE TEAM + 1'53
30 David McCann COLAVITA - SUTTER HOME PRESENTED BYCOOKING LIGHT + 1'55
General:
1 George Hincapie DISCOVERY CHANNEL PRO CYCLING TEAM 18h08'47 Player
2 David Zabriskie TEAM CSC + 48
3 Jens Voigt TEAM CSC + 1'32
4 Ronny Scholz GEROLSTEINER + 1'35
5 Koos Moerenhout RABOBANK + 2'24
6 Sérgio Paulinho DISCOVERY CHANNEL PRO CYCLING TEAM + 2'25 Player
7 Kim Kirchen T-MOBILE TEAM + 2'26
8 William Walker RABOBANK + 2'35
9 Tom Danielson DISCOVERY CHANNEL PRO CYCLING TEAM + 2'53 Player
10 Frank Schleck TEAM CSC + 3'13
11 Wladimir Gustov TEAM CSC + 3'20
12 Dario David Cioni PREDICTOR - LOTTO + 3'25
13 Cadel Evans PREDICTOR - LOTTO + 3'26
14 Andrea Noè LIQUIGAS + 3'59
15 Christophe Brandt PREDICTOR - LOTTO + 4'07
16 Michael Boogerd RABOBANK + 4'12
17 Vincenzo Nibali LIQUIGAS + 4'28
18 Frantisek Rabon T-MOBILE TEAM + 4'36
19 Lucas Euser TEAM SLIPSTREAM + 4'43
20 Dario Cataldo LIQUIGAS + 5'04
21 Patrik Sinkewitz T-MOBILE TEAM + 5'11
22 Francesco Bellotti CRÉDIT AGRICOLE + 5'14
23 Alessandro Spezialetti LIQUIGAS + 5'16
24 Franco Pellizotti LIQUIGAS + 5'17
25 Wim Van Huffel PREDICTOR - LOTTO + 5'27
26 Davide Frattini COLAVITA - SUTTER HOME PRESENTED BY COOKING LIGHT + 5'37 27 Stefan Schumacher GEROLSTEINER + 6'29
28 Iñigo Cuesta TEAM CSC + 6'30
29 Marc De Maar RABOBANK + 6'47
30 Brian Dziewa JELLY BELLY CYCLING TEAM + 8'37
52 Fu-yu Li DISCOVERY CHANNEL PRO CYCLING TEAM + 19'38 Player
53 Vladimir Bileka DISCOVERY CHANNEL PRO CYCLING TEAM + 20'39
56 Gianni Meersman DISCOVERY CHANNEL PRO CYCLING TEAM + 22'20
61 Allan Davis DISCOVERY CHANNEL PRO CYCLING TEAM + 24'05
82 Jason McCartney DISCOVERY CHANNEL PRO CYCLING TEAM + 30'10
Points:
1 George Hincapie DISCOVERY CHANNEL PRO CYCLING TEAM 25 87 Player
2 David Zabriskie TEAM CSC 20 60
3 Ronny Scholz GEROLSTEINER 10 48
4 Andrea Noè LIQUIGAS 12 38
5 Paolo Bettini QUICK STEP - INNERGETIC 0 34
6 Frantisek Rabon T-MOBILE TEAM 5 31
7 Addy Engels QUICK STEP - INNERGETIC 0 31
8 Jens Voigt TEAM CSC 16 30
9 Vincenzo Nibali LIQUIGAS 7 29
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Posted on 11-07-2007 03:35
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Ok for now...I move tomorow to the real life tour work - vacation -work. When I get back I have plenty of time to continu..lets hope I will also same exited has so far. |
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Have a nice Holidays! Get some pics |
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Posted on 11-07-2007 11:05
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EDIT: I'd just like to apologise for what I said here, I didn't really think it through, and issoisso rightly pointed that out. There was no need for it. I'm sorry
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Posted on 11-07-2007 11:30
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Crommy wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
- vacation
Sorry, but as you know, this is the American term, please use the English term holiday. English is of course right, whereas American English is just wrong. Sorry to point that out, but I feel strongly on that issue
why is it wrong?
that's just.....
I can't even find the words.
are you insane? if americans speak in a different manner, it's their choice. it's not like the UK and the US are the same country.
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Ok, forget I said it. It's just the Americans adopted the English language, and I don't like the fact they changed it a bit. What I just said wasn't what I don't like, I realise now, it's words they spell worng, like grey, not gray.
I just go over the top some times in attacking the American language, it's just I'm a very patriotic english man, and I get carried away sometimes. Sorry
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patriotism has caused most of this world's problems.
be calm about it Crommy, it's not the same language, it's a different brand of english, so...it's not like it's supposed to be the same.
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Yet more for the politics thread, and we're in the wrong one again
I'll try to moderate my outrageous patriotism so I don't cause problems, and I agree, patriotism has caused most of the worlds problems
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Volta ao Algarve (stage 4)
Vila Real de Santo António - Loulé
Ok we got lot of sharp hills to ride. I but most of the team protect Uros Murn and hope he survive to the sprint.
To strong Quickstep riders Proni and Grabowski..separates rest of peloton on the hill top. They don't give up noticed that they have made some gap and starting to eat one by one early breakaway raiders.
80 km. to go McEwen seems to have problems to follow and lots of others sprinters geting in difficulty on the same mountain. Murn is protected almost with all team..he bearly survives.
Predictor -Lotto team has done great job to get McEwen back to the peloton...
..but in next mountain top he has problems again. This doesn't seems to have sprinters stage. Starting to predict that Murn has also given to much strenght away.
Finish...Steffen Wesemann and team WIESENHOF got his first strong win.Murn was 9.th. to tired manage better.
Results:
1 Steffen Wesemann TEAM WIESENHOF - FELT 4h57'09
2 Christian Knees TEAM MILRAM s.t.
3 Jelle Vanendert CHOCOLADE JACQUES - TOPSPORT VLAANDEREN s.t. 4 Evgeni Popov RABOBANK CONTINENTAL s.t.
5 Andrea Tonti QUICK STEP - INNERGETIC s.t.
6 Matthias Kessler ASTANÁ s.t.
7 Axel Merckx T-MOBILE TEAM s.t.
8 Davide Rebellin GEROLSTEINER s.t.
9 Uros Murn DISCOVERY CHANNEL PRO CYCLING TEAM s.t. Player
10 Mario Aerts PREDICTOR - LOTTO s.t.
11 Carlos Barredo QUICK STEP - INNERGETIC s.t.
12 Chris Horner PREDICTOR - LOTTO s.t.
13 Linus Gerdemann T-MOBILE TEAM s.t.
14 Bernhard Kohl GEROLSTEINER s.t.
15 Jakob Piil T-MOBILE TEAM s.t.
16 David Moncoutié COFIDIS, LE CRÉDIT PAR TÉLÉPHONE s.t.
17 Maxime Monfort COFIDIS, LE CRÉDIT PAR TÉLÉPHONE s.t.
18 Serge Pauwels CHOCOLADE JACQUES - TOPSPORT VLAANDEREN s.t.
19 Björn Leukemans PREDICTOR - LOTTO s.t.
20 Igor Astarloa TEAM MILRAM s.t.
GC:
1 Bernhard Eisel T-MOBILE TEAM 19h06'12
2 Robbie McEwen PREDICTOR - LOTTO + 1
3 Steffen Wesemann TEAM WIESENHOF - FELT + 13
4 Christian Knees TEAM MILRAM + 17
5 Jelle Vanendert CHOCOLADE JACQUES - TOPSPORT VLAANDEREN + 19
6 Niki Terpstra TEAM MILRAM s.t.
7 Evgeni Popov RABOBANK CONTINENTAL + 23
8 Uros Murn DISCOVERY CHANNEL PRO CYCLING TEAM s.t. Player
9 Jakob Piil T-MOBILE TEAM s.t.
10 Axel Merckx T-MOBILE TEAM s.t.
11 Andrea Tonti QUICK STEP - INNERGETIC s.t.
12 Cristian Moreni COFIDIS, LE CRÉDIT PAR TÉLÉPHONE s.t.
13 Matthias Kessler ASTANÁ s.t.
14 Francisco José Pacheco BARBOT - HALCON s.t.
15 Dmitri Muravjev ASTANÁ s.t.
16 Linus Gerdemann T-MOBILE TEAM s.t.
17 Mirko Celestino TEAM MILRAM s.t.
18 Mario Aerts PREDICTOR - LOTTO s.t.
19 Björn Leukemans PREDICTOR - LOTTO s.t.
20 Bernhard Kohl GEROLSTEINER s.t.
Points:
1 Bernhard Eisel T-MOBILE TEAM 0 64
2 Robbie McEwen PREDICTOR - LOTTO 0 52
3 Uros Murn DISCOVERY CHANNEL PRO CYCLING TEAM 2 38 Player
4 Pedro Costa VITÓRIA - ASC 0 37
5 Steffen Wesemann TEAM WIESENHOF - FELT 25 31
6 Niki Terpstra TEAM MILRAM 0 20
7 Stefan Radochla TEAM WIESENHOF - FELT 0 20
8 Christian Knees TEAM MILRAM 20 20
9 Manuel Antonio Cardoso RIBERALVES - BOAVISTA 0 18
10 Jelle Vanendert CHOCOLADE JACQUES - TOPSPORT VLAANDEREN 16 16
Edited by Guido Mukk on 12-07-2007 22:39
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