Ricco positive for EPO
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Crazy_Ivan |
Posted on 18-07-2008 14:56
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But Issoisso what I am getting at is when do you think Saunier knew that their riders were doping? Yesterday or are they themselves involved as a whole team? |
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Posted on 18-07-2008 15:03
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I wouldn't know. I don't even know if Piepoli has tested positive, even though he probably has, as every stage winner is controlled.
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Posted on 18-07-2008 15:31
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sakai5 wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Breaking news: Riccò and Piepoli fired by Saunier.
well, that confirms the news of Piepoli's positive test...
EDIT: the team lists the reasons for dismissing both as "doping practices"
Will F. Shleck receive the second place bonus seconds and be the yellow jersey?
isso is quite a journalist, good job =P
there are no time bonuses in the Tour
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Posted on 18-07-2008 16:36
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Piepoli definitely fired, so we can be sure he doped.
Good for the sport, it's sending the right message out
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Posted on 18-07-2008 21:44
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Posted on 18-07-2008 21:45
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sad for ricco only 24 year old... |
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Posted on 19-07-2008 11:57
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I feel very sorry for the sport now... 4 riders so far in the tour. Why does'nt riders get couht in other races like Dauphine Libere and Paris-Nice? |
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Posted on 19-07-2008 12:11
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Hasselinhoo wrote:
sad for ricco only 24 year old...
Not sad for Ricco, he knows hes ruining his sport.
Sad for us as its what we all love to watch. |
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Posted on 19-07-2008 20:45
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obkris wrote:
I feel very sorry for the sport now... 4 riders so far in the tour. Why does'nt riders get couht in other races like Dauphine Libere and Paris-Nice?
Probably because at Le Tour, they are testing for a substance with no completely valid test yet, so I'd imagine riders thought they could get away with this substance as they thought they wouldn't be tested with it.
So good work there by Le Tour
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Posted on 19-07-2008 21:18
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ASO and the hardliners amongst the teams (the ones with internal testing), are spinning the situation very well. The systems works, seems to be the mantra.
Instead of only doing damage control, ASO now in full control, can act proactive. Both when it comes catching dopers; the french anti dope authorities seems more agile, compared to the UCI way of doing things. But even more important, they control the information. They know the stories, before they hit the streets.
The teams with internal testing, are now in a position where they can point fingers, at the weak at heart. Very good for public relations.
Moises Duenas is also doing good. Admitting to the obvious, but not blowing any whistles. He'll be back in two years time. I'm sure Ricco also will be back eventually. I can't imagine how it'll happen though? |
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Posted on 19-07-2008 22:31
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According to this Piepoli has admitted his guilt, and indeed confessed to the Team manager before the star of the stage that they withdrew from.
https://www.cyclin.../jul20news
"Two riders who have withdrawn from the Tour de France confessed to using EPO, the Spanish daily El Pais reported Saturday. The first, Moises Dueñas, a Spanish rider who was the second to test positive for EPO at the Tour de France, confessed to using the drugs after testing positive. After police uncovered doping products in his hotel room, Dueñas told investigators in Tarbes that he had purchased the products from a Spanish Doctor named Jesus Losa."
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Posted on 19-07-2008 23:25
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obkris wrote:
I feel very sorry for the sport now... 4 riders so far in the tour. Why does'nt riders get couht in other races like Dauphine Libere and Paris-Nice? because in the Tour they've used new equipment to catch the dopes. |
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Posted on 19-07-2008 23:25
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obkris wrote:
I feel very sorry for the sport now... 4 riders so far in the tour. Why does'nt riders get couht in other races like Dauphine Libere and Paris-Nice? because in the Tour they've used new equipment to catch the dopes. |
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Posted on 19-07-2008 23:25
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obkris wrote:
I feel very sorry for the sport now... 4 riders so far in the tour. Why does'nt riders get couht in other races like Dauphine Libere and Paris-Nice? because in the Tour they've used new equipment to catch the dopes. |
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Posted on 21-07-2008 10:42
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You really gotta hope that 90% of the guys left is clean, my fear, however is that the "Anti-Doping" teams are the worst. They have hired highly professional guys in order to hide the doping they are using. IMO 2 years ban shouldn't be enough. Everyone knows that cycling is in a very fragile phase these years, so the guys ruining the sport should really be punished to the bone, so they would ruin themselves and not the sport, in which the "love oh so badly" |
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Posted on 21-07-2008 11:38
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This is good that we have news :"We got the doper."..because if it aint gonna happens..we probably have few dopers riding.
There is still doping in cycling..this is look better and better year after year. Now we should change policy..O tolerance..if you get caught..life time ban. Guys like Ricco should look different job...now he is thinking ..shit I was caught..but so? After two year's I will be back..I'm still young enough..and I'l be more careful.
Ban rider like Ricco for life..would be great example for new generation. |
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Posted on 21-07-2008 11:57
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i agree. dopers should be banned for life. that would be the only way really. not oh you doped but have been banned for two years. welcome back! |
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Posted on 21-07-2008 15:52
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A frankly depressing article off of cyclingnews
'Obvious' EPO positives being ignored by WADA
A report by the BBC has claimed that the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) is failing to catch a large number of athletes using the banned blood booster EPO due to a flawed criteria by which samples are declared positive. The report also highlights the growing problem of bio-similar EPOs - those which have a slightly different molecular fingerprint to regular EPO and therefore may not produce a positive sample under WADA's current criteria.
According to Dr Rasmus Damsgaard, an anti-doping expert who oversees the internal testing programs for both CSC-Saxo Bank and Astana, WADA laboratories are sitting on "a mountain of positive EPO" from athletes that have not failed a test. Dr Damsgaard inspected the electronic profiles, or gels as they are known, of five samples declared negative by a WADA laboratory, and said they showed clear signs of EPO being present.
"It was very obvious that the gels were very un-natural or very different from natural distributions," Damsgaard told the BBC. "But I also saw that they were declared negative because they didn't fulfil the WADA criteria of a positive test; although they looked suspicious and had no natural bands at all, they were still declared negative.
"WADA is sitting on a mountain of positive EPO. They have these very strict rules, and declare that everything is working fine. But it's not working at all! You can more or less do whatever you like with EPO and you will not be charged."
German anti-doping expert Professor Werner Franke, well known for his stance against Jan Ullrich and the former T-Mobile team, said the large number of bio-similar EPOs makes it difficult to formulate a single test to detect all of them. "There are now a number of compounds that bind to the EPO receptor, and there is no single test for them," Franke told the BBC. "You can order it here over the internet and it will be delivered to you here in the UK or in Germany; Chinese-made doping substances."
Following the failed doping test by Riccardo Riccò at the Tour de France, who was reported to have been using a new form of EPO called Micera, WADA spokesman Frédéric Donzé told Cyclingnews that his agency was aware of new EPOs coming onto the market.
"WADA is very much aware of the development of new EPOs and bio-similar EPOs in an expanding market," Donzé said. "A number of these new EPOs and bio similar EPOs are well known and can be detected through current tests."
Moreover, WADA's scientific director Dr Oliver Rabin said he was "reasonably confident" that any athlete using EPO at the upcoming Olympic Games in Beijing would fall foul of anti-doping controls.
"It would be very presumptuous on my part to say that we are absolutely 100 percent sure we are going to get everyone," Rabin told the BBC. "But I can assure you that if you were to take recombinant EPO and that would be in your urine - then, yes, we would detect it."
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Posted on 21-07-2008 20:04
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WADA really don't want to catch those dopers
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Crazy_Ivan |
Posted on 22-07-2008 18:05
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Looks like Ricco tried to give the doping control the slip.
https://www.guardi...e.cycling2
"Riccardo Ricco tried to escape being drug-tested at the Tour de France by running away from his escort, according to the head of the French Anti-Doping Agency (AFLD). Ricco, who tested positive for the banned blood-booster EPO after winning two of the opening stages, made a break for freedom while being taken away for testing but was foiled when his path was blocked off by a traffic jam. "
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