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| stuartmcstuart |
Posted on 10-06-2008 16:15
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Stijn_vranken wrote:
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Didn't Mutu get a seven month suspension and recently got forced to pay Chelsea £7 million for testing positive for Cocaine? And Boonen looks like getting away fairly easily 
I mean, the man has been caught drink-driving twice in the past month - if he wasn't Tom Boonen he'd be in a lot more shit 
no the reason of the drink-driving and getting away unpunished, listins to the name belgium 
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Posted on 10-06-2008 16:19
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even some belgians don't get punished for speeding 200 km/h where you are allowed to ride a max of 70
belgium is a special place believe me. a strange place loool
prevent hangovers --> stay drunk
pozzato, basically the most stupid cyclist around
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Posted on 10-06-2008 16:47
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If the rules say that Boonen can't be punished, then he can't be punished. Simple as that. You can't punish him just to make an example because he is Tom Boonen. That would be hipocritical.
Quickstep on the other hand, should show some balls and sanction him in some way. Between the drunk driving, the speeding and now the coke thing he is fast becomming a very bad rolemodel for young people.
To prevent such occurances to repeat one could find inspiration in a very unlikely place. The NFL have had a simular problem with more and more players getting in trouble with the law (among other things driving drunk). They didn't necesarily break the rules of the NFL, but they brought negative attention to the sport. So steps were taken in order to empower the commissioner to punish lawbreakers with long suspensions (in NFL standards anyway).
I think something along those lines could be succesfully applied in this case as well. With cyclings bad rep taken into account we cannot afford that the riders behave like Boonen and Schumacher have done. Even if it is within the dopingrules. |
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Posted on 10-06-2008 16:51
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I don't get why he can't be punished. Can't someone explain that? Cocaine is forbidden by WADA, Boonen has taken cocaine before a tour, his test was positive, and he even won the last stage. Isn't it rather obvious that he has broken the rules? |
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Posted on 10-06-2008 16:55
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cocaine is forbidden if taken the day before a race or 3 days before a big race ( giro etc).
if tested positive in other occasions, the rider can't be sanctioned
prevent hangovers --> stay drunk
pozzato, basically the most stupid cyclist around
RIP WW. Gone but not forgotten
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Posted on 10-06-2008 16:56
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I guess the point is that he was not in competition and that cocaine does not enhance your performance for that long. I doubt CAS would endorse a suspension. He could face criminal charges though... |
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Posted on 10-06-2008 16:56
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issoisso wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
Ullrich was caught with some amphetamines, it's more or less the same thing (not chemically), it makes you more excited and full of energy.
I know. the reason nobody takes them anymore is that they make you foam at the mouth. It'd be very easy to tell which ones were doping on amphetamines
Does that mean Gerdemann doped?
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Posted on 10-06-2008 17:07
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you get foam around your mouth from extreme wearouts, nothing to do with amphetamines. |
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Posted on 10-06-2008 17:19
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Ok, so he can't be punished in by the UCI, but possession of Cocaine is an arrestable offence and can have a jail term. But then again though, cycling is big in Belgium, they wouldn't want to lock up a sucessful cyclist like him. 
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Posted on 10-06-2008 17:22
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Yes, possession is but they didn't find any proof of him having possession of the drugs in question. He will not risk anything except a huge bust in popularity and the refusal of the ASO. So he will most likely not participate. A pity, but hey. 
Btw someone made this funny pic:
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Posted on 10-06-2008 17:29
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kadel wrote:
you get foam around your mouth from extreme wearouts, nothing to do with amphetamines.
you get yellow foam in industrial qualtities from the amphetamines. In the 1960s, for fear of losing their jobs, journalists couldn't write "x is doped", so they'd just talk about riders "foaming like rabbid dogs". and everyone knew what they were on about.
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Posted on 10-06-2008 17:29
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Marginalo wrote:
Yes, possession is but they didn't find any proof of him having possession of the drugs in question. He will not risk anything except a huge bust in popularity and the refusal of the ASO. So he will most likely not participate. A pity, but hey.
Btw someone made this funny pic:
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Posted on 10-06-2008 17:33
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doddy13 wrote:
Ok, so he can't be punished in by the UCI, but possession of Cocaine is an arrestable offence and can have a jail term. But then again though, cycling is big in Belgium, they wouldn't want to lock up a sucessful cyclist like him. Possesion is indeed an offence (fines on it from 1000€ to 100.000€ and jail time between 3 months and 5 years) but they haven't found nothing so he will probably even escape that. And if he was sentenced to jail he probably wouldn't go in. Because the time he would have to go to jail would be short (there's alot of space in Belgian prisons)
@Crue cocaine is on the peformance enhancement list. But he wasn't caught during competition. I read (no idea if this is true ) that cocaine enhances performance for 72 hours. He was caught up to 2 days infront of the tour of Belgian to technically he could have been positive at the start. But the stage he won he should have been clear ... (and i think he was since he won i'd be suprised he wasn't tested for doping ).
If he would have been caught during the tour of belgium he would have been banned for sure. Uci allready said they wouldn't ban him, Wada hasn't come out of the closet yet. BUT the tour of switzerland allready banned him B) so he could be missing several races, a huge popularity drop in belgium (omg plz let it happen) and being sacked by quickstep ?
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Posted on 10-06-2008 17:34
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but last weekend he was caught drink driving, also an arrestable offence. Oh well, who cares about him anyways. Cav is the sprint king now 
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Posted on 10-06-2008 17:37
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doddy13 wrote:
but last weekend he was caught drink driving, also an arrestable offence. Oh well, who cares about him anyways. Cav is the sprint king now arrestable offence if its public and causing problems. He got caught for speeding, was tested on alcohol it was positive ... he lost his drivers license thats all that happens in belgium you won't go to jail for being drunk especially not if your Tom Boonen |
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Posted on 10-06-2008 17:38
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doddy13 wrote:
but last weekend he was caught drink driving, also an arrestable offence. Oh well, who cares about him anyways. Cav is the sprint king now
Hook line and sinker.
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"We all know that wasn't the real footage of the Worlds anyway. That was just the staged footage to perpetuate the coverup that it was actually Vinokourov that won the race."
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Posted on 10-06-2008 18:44
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News from 18 months ago (thanks to Oliuj for the link)
https://www.velonews.com/article/11516
"The riders don't just take doping products (EPO, Insulin Growth Factor, growth hormones and steroids), but also drugs like ecstasy, cocaine and speed," the anonymous rider alleged.
The same rider affirmed that Lefévère, who has been among the most vocal advocates of new anti-doping measures in the troubled sport, "financially profits from a system which he knows plenty about."
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Posted on 10-06-2008 18:46
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incredibly stupid, nothing more to say about it i think. As for the drunk driving i find it amazing that all the belgian police does is take your drivers license when your driving drunk. In most countries you'd have a lot more problems. |
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| stuartmcstuart |
Posted on 11-06-2008 00:41
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At 10.30 tomorrow (CET), Boonen and Quickstep will hold a joint press conference at the teams headquarters
Anyone else smell a sobbing apology?
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Posted on 11-06-2008 00:44
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someone better have a transcript of that damned thing!
Macquet wrote:
"We all know that wasn't the real footage of the Worlds anyway. That was just the staged footage to perpetuate the coverup that it was actually Vinokourov that won the race."
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