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Posted on 09-04-2008 19:54
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Why is it idiotic? He doesn't have a good track record against stacked fields (although he is one of the top sprinters in the world) |
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Posted on 09-04-2008 19:58
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issoisso wrote:
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@ cav: he's a great talent but he lacks self awareness
everytime he wins he goes 'im the fastest of the pack' even tho he beats only the likes of chichi weylandt etc who arent really topsprinters
and then when he goes into a big race where it really matters, and most/all top sprinters are there, like gent-wevelgem he fails and always looks for excuses
It's amazing how much that sounds like Boonen a few years ago 
I was just thnking that
and not sure who posted it, but Boonen isn't one of the 3 best sprinters in the world. Top 7 possibly |
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Posted on 09-04-2008 19:58
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SportingNonsense wrote:
I knew some idiot would bring up the pathetic argument that Cavendish doesnt beat any top sprinters. Well done MortChill 
Calling him an idiot is certainly a fine way to get across your point on Cavendish.
Anyway, Although he has beaten some top sprinters once or twice, he's not in their league. He hasn't done it with any measure of consistency, although there's a great chance he will some day. When he beats Hushovd, Boonen, McEwen, etc. with any measure of consistency, I'll call him a top sprinter. If he ever manages to beat the best sprinters in the world (right now that would be Freire and Petacchi) frequently, I'll consider him elite.
Just not right now.
As for his attitude, it's beating a dead horse with a stick, really. He's an asshole, it's been well documented, and it won't lead us anywhere but to insults.
So can we please move on? pretty please?
Edited by issoisso on 09-04-2008 19:59
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Posted on 09-04-2008 20:02
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I hate people always going to that same old 'excuse' when trying to discredit him.
Call him an arragoant bastard or whatever, but Ill duplicate that response every time I read someone going back to that excuse.
Im curious though, has Cavendish even actually faced Petacchi in a sprint? I cant remember any race in which theyve come up against each other
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Posted on 09-04-2008 20:10
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SN, im going to tell you the same thing i tell Levi4Life everytime we have a discussion where someone rather blindly defends someone: DONT! Unless youre capable of at least bending your opinion just slightly, it will end up in a catfight everyone will get mad about.
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Posted on 09-04-2008 20:13
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One rider was extremely irritated after the race. Mark Cavendish couldn't deliver the win for High Road, since he didn't even sprint. "Too dangerous, too dangerous," the British rider shouted. "There was no wind and people sprinted who can't even sprint. Okay, it's their right, as it's a one-day race." Cavendish continued fuming. "I nearly crashed five times in the last two kilometres. Five times!" Did he have the legs to win? "Yes, but I didn't even sprint."
Pretty simple really - in a sprint, you've got to take risks - and anyone can choose to sprint, you just need to shut up and get past them. It's that simple. No point whining about it, they are just as entitled as you to sprint.
What counts is what you do, not what you could have done.
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Posted on 09-04-2008 20:14
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Waghlon wrote:
SN, im going to tell you the same thing i tell Levi4Life everytime we have a discussion where someone rather blindly defends someone: DONT! Unless youre capable of at least bending your opinion just slightly, it will end up in a catfight everyone will get mad about.
Couldn't agree more - you're doing exactly what the Americans do - which is blindly stating how great they are, and ignoring the facts.
Yes, Cavendish could be a top sprinter, but he isn't at the moment
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Posted on 09-04-2008 20:14
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Waghlon wrote:
SN, im going to tell you the same thing i tell Levi4Life everytime we have a discussion where someone rather blindly defends someone: DONT! Unless youre capable of at least bending your opinion just slightly, it will end up in a catfight everyone will get mad about.
The conversation was mainly about him being arrogant and not willing to take enough risks and having a big mouth. Im fine with that because its true.
It was not necessary for MortChill to bring back the excuse of him only being able to beat riders like Chicchi or Weylandt. It didnt add anything to the point he was making.
Im NOT saying i think he is the best sprinter in the world ... he clearly isnt
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Posted on 09-04-2008 20:18
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I think this whole discussion is pointless. Everyone knows Bäckstedt is the worlds best sprinter |
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Posted on 09-04-2008 20:21
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Crommy wrote:
Waghlon wrote:
SN, im going to tell you the same thing i tell Levi4Life everytime we have a discussion where someone rather blindly defends someone: DONT! Unless youre capable of at least bending your opinion just slightly, it will end up in a catfight everyone will get mad about.
Couldn't agree more - you're doing exactly what the Americans do - which is blindly stating how great they are, and ignoring the facts.
Yes, Cavendish could be a top sprinter, but he isn't at the moment
That is not true. I am going to blindly defend that.
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Posted on 09-04-2008 20:24
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alex153 wrote:
I think this whole discussion is pointless. Everyone knows Bäckstedt is the worlds best sprinter
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Posted on 09-04-2008 20:37
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SportingNonsense wrote:
I hate people always going to that same old 'excuse' when trying to discredit him.
If you re-read Mortchill's post, I really don't think that was his main point.
SportingNonsense wrote:
Im curious though, has Cavendish even actually faced Petacchi in a sprint? I cant remember any race in which theyve come up against each other
I can't either. but if Petacchi gets on terms with his team (which the team can't afford not to do), they should be up against each other in the Girol. I'm very interested in what he can do.
MortChill wrote:
lol boonen is not cocky, hes humble, kind and relax
you've GOT to be kidding me 
The man always has an excuse, every single goddamn time.
Anyone remember the "flattening" tyre excuse?
"It wasn't flat. but it was going to be"
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Posted on 09-04-2008 20:38
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I didnt say it was his main point, what I was trying to say that it was an dditional point that just wasnt needed.
Anyway, everyone knows that Chris Hoy is the best sprinter in the world, he is the World Sprint Champion afterall.
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Posted on 09-04-2008 20:39
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issoisso wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
Im curious though, has Cavendish even actually faced Petacchi in a sprint? I cant remember any race in which theyve come up against each other
I can't either. but if Petacchi gets on terms with his team (which the team can't afford not to do), they should be up against each other in the Girol. I'm very interested in what he can do.
I'm not trying to argue but I'm just wondering. I thought High Road wasn't racing in the Giro.
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Posted on 09-04-2008 20:41
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matt493 wrote:
Crommy wrote:
Waghlon wrote:
SN, im going to tell you the same thing i tell Levi4Life everytime we have a discussion where someone rather blindly defends someone: DONT! Unless youre capable of at least bending your opinion just slightly, it will end up in a catfight everyone will get mad about.
Couldn't agree more - you're doing exactly what the Americans do - which is blindly stating how great they are, and ignoring the facts.
Yes, Cavendish could be a top sprinter, but he isn't at the moment
That is not true. I am going to blindly defend that.
Me too!! wtf? Why did we get thrown in the middle of this?!? We don't even have a Top 20 Sprinter!! You'll never (never say never) hear us talking smack about one of our sprinters. |
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Posted on 09-04-2008 20:42
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They are racing it |
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Posted on 09-04-2008 20:42
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SportingNonsense wrote:
I didnt say it was his main point, what I was trying to say that it was an dditional point that just wasnt needed.
Anyway, everyone knows that Chris Hoy is the best sprinter in the world, he is the World Sprint Champion afterall.
how wrong could you be... if he edges Bos by a few milimeters 2 times after Bos being unbeaten for 3 years straigth doesnt mean he immediatly is the worlds best sprinter.
as I said. Bos won every single sprint heat in 3 years in a row. that has to end somewhere and it did with a few millimeters against Hoy. After Beijng, we will talk again, if Hoy wins it there, you have rigth to speak. |
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Posted on 09-04-2008 20:43
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matt493 wrote:
issoisso wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
Im curious though, has Cavendish even actually faced Petacchi in a sprint? I cant remember any race in which theyve come up against each other
I can't either. but if Petacchi gets on terms with his team (which the team can't afford not to do), they should be up against each other in the Girol. I'm very interested in what he can do.
I'm not trying to argue but I'm just wondering. I thought High Road wasn't racing in the Giro.
They reached an agreement to race it after all
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Posted on 09-04-2008 20:44
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mrlol wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
I didnt say it was his main point, what I was trying to say that it was an dditional point that just wasnt needed.
Anyway, everyone knows that Chris Hoy is the best sprinter in the world, he is the World Sprint Champion afterall.
how wrong could you be... if he edges Bos by a few milimeters 2 times after Bos being unbeaten for 3 years straigth doesnt mean he immediatly is the worlds best sprinter.
as I said. Bos won every single sprint heat in 3 years in a row. that has to end somewhere and it did with a few millimeters against Hoy. After Beijng, we will talk again, if Hoy wins it there, you have rigth to speak.
I think (and hope) he was being sarcastic.
Edited by issoisso on 09-04-2008 20:44
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Posted on 09-04-2008 20:44
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alex153 wrote:
They are racing it
They are since when. Again I don't always stay up to date but I thought they weren't accepted. Damn I need to start coming out of my cave.\
Edit: never mind. I read Issosso's post.
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